• 🚒 Peloton donates clothing to support those affected by the L.A. fires. Plus, the Peloton Apparel Buy Sell Trade Group is organizing a clothing drive.
• 🔊 Custom volume mixing is back—take control of your workouts again!
• 🏃 Peloton is offering a field testing opportunity! Who’s ready to try new features?
• 💼 Karen Boone, former interim Co-CEO of Peloton, is now working with CoreWeave.
• 🏋️ LA Fitness adds Peloton equipment to select locations. Time to level up your workouts!
• 🛍️ Is Peloton’s latest sale better than Black Friday? Find out how to score the best deals!
• 💳 Get limited-time discounts on Peloton App memberships right now.
• 💸 Did you know Peloton pays better than Spotify? Interesting stat for the week!
• 🌟 Guardian Life employees now get access to the Peloton App – taking corporate wellness to new heights.
• 🧠 Dr. Jenn is here to guide us on navigating election stress and handling varying responses.
• 🌟 Jon Hosking is coming to PSNY—mark your calendars!
• 🥗 Robin Arzón confirms her upcoming cookbook (yes, please!).
• 🎙️ Joslyn Thompson Rule launches Season 2 of her podcast—don’t miss it!
• 🏃‍♂️ Susie Chan and Jeffrey McEachern host live Q&A’s in preparation for the London Marathon.
• 💳 Jess King partners with Capital One. Exciting things ahead!
• 🧘 Kristin McGee kicks off her Yoga Certification program—because flexibility is fabulous!
• 🚴 Tonal steps in to replace equipment destroyed in the L.A. fires.
• 😂 Kim Holderness (Ep. 197) delivers a fun Wicked parody you need to see!
• 🏆 Check out the TCOTop 5 listener-recommended classes for your next workout.
• 💪 Logan Aldridge has a new Strength+ program—time to push your limits!
• 🧘 HelperBee Elizabeth explains why Yoga + Pilates is the perfect pairing.
• 🎶 Benny Adami and Mayla Wedekind are taking you on a Retro Journey.
• 🎉 Erik Jager celebrates 5 years at Peloton with his Greatest Hits collection!
• 💤 A new Sleep Meditation program is here to help you wind down.
• ⚡ The Push Your Pace program is in full swing—ready to go faster?
• 🏃‍♀️ A new Split program is arriving on January 25! Sneak peek starts now.
• 🧘‍♀️ Mark your calendars for a special 60-Minute Pilates session coming soon.
• 🛍️ Don’t miss Peloton’s collab with Mayfair—including an exclusive shopping event!
• 🎂 Peloton Birthdays to celebrate this week 🎉 Cliff Dwenger (01/19) and Ben Alldis (01/22)

All this plus our interview with Annie Smith.

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Peloton’s Response To The L.A. Fires Plus Our Interview With Annie Smith

It is a jam-packed week. It’s crazy with all the stuff.

It’s going to be a long episode. It’s going to be a long bonus. I hope that you like it when we talk. I hope that’s why you’re here.

I mean it is a podcast. Who is our guest this week?

Our guest is Annie Smith. She also goes by Anne Smith. She considered herself a Peloton newbie even though she’s been around for a few years, hangs out a lot there, and loves Leanne. She’s a wonderful lady who has a lot of Peloton passion, and she’s a joy to talk to you. Very fun interview.

What pray tell do you have in store for people?

It’s a lot. The biggest thing that I think we need to talk about, so I want to make sure I mention it at the top, is that Peloton is donating clothing to people that are affected by the LA fires, but also Peloton apparel’s the Buy/Sell/Trade group that’s run by community members. They are holding a clothing drive in the group, and it’s an amazing effort they are putting together. I want to make sure people know, at the beginning of the show, we’re going to be giving all the details about that.

Also, there are a lot of things that Peloton is throwing out all of a sudden like the custom volume mixing is back. They have a new field testing opportunity. Karen Boone is still on the board, but now she has a new official job. There’s also a bunch of stuff going on with LA Fitness and Peloton equipment that they are featuring. Peloton has some new sales that are better than Black Friday sales, and they have some sales on their app membership.

One of the interesting things that came up this week was about music and Peloton paying artists fees, how they pay compared to how other industries pay like on Spotify. Guardian Life has a new partnership with Peloton that we’re going to talk about. We got a visit from Dr. Jenn and we talked about how to navigate the election results and people’s varying responses to that, which seems timely, considering that the inauguration is next week. There’s a bunch of In The News for instructors. There’s also a competitor info. We have a new artist series to talk about. We have a past guest update and content to discuss. It’s a lot.

Over on Patreon, we’re going to be talking about how much your Peloton really knows about you. We’re going to talk about gym rats hating January. We’re going to talk about lifespan versus health span. We’re also giving you all the other podcasts where you can find the instructors, their appearances, partnerships, and things like that.

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We shall.

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As the fires ravage Los Angeles, people in the world of Peloton want to know what Peloton might be doing to assist the people who have been damaged by such fires.

Many people were affected. Peloton released a statement on their Instagram story the other day saying that their heart goes out to all those impacted by the devastating fires in Los Angeles. It says that most immediately, they are working continuously to ensure the safety and well-being of our LA-based Peloton team members. They’re grateful to our global security team for acting swiftly and ensuring ongoing support.

To assist the broader LA community affected by the fires, we’re donating Peloton clothing to seven local relief organizations that are working hard on the ground. Through our internal volunteer and corporate match program, we are matching Peloton team member donations dollar for dollar. Peloton is trying to assist the most immediate needs that are there. It’s what they’re trying to focus on right now.

I guess we should also talk about that I guess, but we should also talk about what the Peloton apparel group is doing.

To repeat here, it’s called the Peloton Apparel Buy/Sell/Trade Group. The reason I want to make sure that people know that is so you can search for the group. I guess the entire group is called Peloton Boutique Buy/Sell/Trade. The reason I want to draw your attention to that is that’s going to be where you go for what I’m about to tell you.

What is happening is that a couple of ladies, Heidi Gilpin Neff is one of the people running this, but also she’s getting some help from Michelle Brookman who lives out in LA. Both of them are long-time members. Michelle is like OG status. She’s been around forever. She assisted in a lot of efforts like this. People might remember her from us talking about Pedal on the Pier.

Anyway, I digress. The point is these ladies are putting together a post. It’s going to be a trading system so that people in need can go into the group and say, “I need XYZ,” and then Peloton members can then be like, “I have this. I will send it to you.” You can send and know that your donation is going straight to the person that you’re trying to help.

They’re working through the logistics right now because the people who are in need are often displaced at this point. That is something that they’re working through. They want to make sure that they’re protecting everybody’s data here. They’re trying to find the best way to do it. Again, it’s the Peloton Boutique Buy/Sell/Trade group. We will have the link to that in our newsletter. We will also have that on our website. It’s going to be in all those places. We just want to make sure that people can go and help out.

It’s an awesome thing. It’s very much the community that we’ve seen throughout the history of Peloton. That’s what’s coming together right now. These people want to help in any way they can. I know that there are so many organizations and so many people who are sitting here like, “I don’t know how to help.” It’s hard to know when you’re halfway across the country, all the way across the country in what way you can help.

If you are one of those people, this is something very direct and very impactful to a person that needs it. I know it’s just exercise clothes, but if you’ve lost everything, having somebody gift you something so important to you. I know when I got hit by the car and I had my Do Epic Shit shirt on, and it got destroyed, the person who replaced that will never know how much that meant to me. I realized that there are more pressing concerns and we respect that. This is a small thing we can all do. If you would like to, you are welcome to.

Later in the show, we will talk about how Tonal is addressing it. We don’t want to talk about it here because we know people sometimes only half listen. We don’t want people to get confused about what Peloton is doing with what Tonal is doing, and the Peloton community members. We will talk about that later. Moving into non-biblical tragedy status events, the custom volume mix is back.

Now you can once again go in and turn the instructor all the way up and the music, all the way down so you can listen to whatever music you want, or turn the instructor all the way down and turn the music all the way up. That’s why it’s custom.

Maybe you think it’s not quite right for your ear. You just want to tweak the balance.

That’s okay too.

It is there for you.

We’re glad to see it back.

Peloton has a field testing opportunity for people.

You have to be invited to this. I don’t have a way to get you invited to it, but if you were already on their field test list, there’s a great chance that you were invited to this. They’ve been doing versions of this for a while. Right now, what’s happening is it’s going to be specifically on the Bike+ and they’re calling it an experience that is designed to enhance your training by providing a dynamic virtual environment that aims to improve your cycling performance and keep you engaged. That’s Bike+ only.

Any idea what that means for people?

 

I think it’s like not Lanebreak, but a gamified virtual environment. That’s how I hear that. It could also be VR. I don’t know. I see nothing to indicate that it’s VR. I don’t want to get people excited. It’s not like you also need this headset or anything like that. I see nothing to indicate that, but when they say virtual environment, I think of gaming for the most part.

That makes sense. I was thinking VR as well, but few people have that equipment, you would think that they would say, “You’re going to need this,” because I can’t imagine them sending it to you.

Peloton has never done that kind of field testing. When they did that field testing, it was for the row and they sent you the row. That’s not what this is. Again, it is only for the Bike+. I found that interesting because we will talk later about the sale they are having on the regular bike, so how will they do that?

Karen Boone, former interim co-CEO, is now going to be on the Independent Board for CoreWeave.

This isn’t a huge story. I thought it was notable, given that she went from being “just” a board director to interim co-CEO, back to a board member, and then instantly now a board director of CoreWeave. I thought that was fascinating. She’s on several other boards as well. She has a long history of doing lots of important things in places like Deloitte. That’s a public accounting firm for people who don’t know. When you want to be a CPA and you want to go into taxes, that would be a great place to intern and go right after college.

It’s the gold standard.

Not a gold standard, but it’s a great place.

People should know, in case they are not familiar with CoreWeave, it’s AI.

Yeah. Sorry. I didn’t mention that part.

I don’t know if this is all of them or select ones or a rollout, but LA Fitness is adding Peloton equipment.

I feel like they might have even had Peloton equipment. This is like a whole Peloton room.

It’s like an area completely dedicated to Peloton. It’s not like they just got a few bikes in the mix. It’s a whole area.

It’s branded. The person who brought this to me raised the question and I think it’s a good question. Is this a partnership, or is this “just” some company going through a Peloton commercial because that’s what it’s there for? I don’t know the answer to that, but I’d love to know. I thought that was interesting to share.

It’s a fascinating way to try and maybe get some of those people who are on the fence. They still want to go to the gym but they see the appeal of Peloton. At least they can have a foot in both worlds. It’s fascinating. However, it also means that you would have two memberships. It makes you wonder if maybe at some point, you’ll see an LA Fitness membership where you check a box and they bundle a Peloton subscription with it.

We have all kinds of questions and zero answers.

Peloton is currently having a sale on the bike that is better than their Black Friday deal.

That’s what all the articles are saying. I honestly didn’t pay that much attention during Black Friday, but $300 off, and you also get a month free membership. It’s certainly a great deal. I’m not knocking it, but this is only on the bike. I thought it was interesting because it’s being pushed as it’s the New Year resolution and that’s a great time. Maybe that’s all this is. Let me clearly state that.

If you didn’t get it for Christmas, here’s your chance.

That is smart because we all know that this is the fallow period. We have now started to go into what is the slowest period for Peloton, that time of year, cyclically speaking. That makes sense, but it’s weird to me because I don’t see these sales in all the other equipment, and then I’m like, “Are we phasing this out?” I can’t help it look over Tonal who had these major sales and then dropped a brand new one.

They then put out a new Tonal.

They’re still selling the Tonal one. No shade at Tonal at all.

It sure seems like the original Tonal is being sunseted.

It’s so Interesting. If that is true, does that mean the long-fabled Bike 3.0 is soon to arrive because that version is also rumored to have the ability to have the Guide on it? Putting all this together, we have the potential Bike 3.0. We have the potential to put the Guide on the 3.0. We have the Strength Plus app they just released that you can’t use the Guide for. I’m saying maybe this is a moment where it’s all coming together. It’d be cool.

The Bike+ becomes Bike Regular, Bike Three becomes Bike+, and Bike Old becomes Bike divided by zero.

I just thought it would be gone. They’ll still service it and stuff. I’m not saying it will be obsolete because people get that to sit in their heads. That’s not what I’m saying. I am saying maybe we won’t see sales of that anymore. I don’t know. It’s just an interesting timing. That’s all I’m saying.

While we’re speaking of sales, there are also limited-time deals on app memberships.

This is interesting as well. With the app membership, the Peloton App One is normally $12.99 a month. Right now, you can get it for $2.49 a month for two months. It’s not quite free but it’s pretty close, but then the Peloton App Plus, which is normally $24 a month and includes access to Strength Plus, by the way, is $5 a month for two months. Also, no sale on Peloton Strength Plus. It’s not crazy. Just came out. It’s still $9.99 a month and you do get a 14-day free trial. I am fascinated by what they are choosing to put on sale and win. It’s like I had finally figured out what the heck Barry was doing with his A/B tests. Now I have to learn it all over again.

Curse you, Peter Stern.

Also, hello, Mr. Stern, you should come on our podcast. We would love to chat with you.

We’ll talk about A/B testing. A website called Digital Music News has an interesting article about how Peloton pays artists versus how Spotify pays artists.

The person who discovered this is saying that he is an indie artist. I say that because I feel like there could be vastly different deals for high-paying artists. They are saying that a DSP, a digital service provider that pays out per stream. For several years, Peloton’s estimated per-stream royalty rate was 3.1 cents which far surpasses the fractions of a penny paid out by Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, and Tidal. Wow,

Spotify is the lowest of all of them.

Wasn’t it recently that you were telling me about how over on Spotify, there’s this whole other layer of weirdness? They have all this music that’s not music that anybody would listen to.

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I think that’s part of what’s at play here. The song in question that he wrote that was being used was played on on Halloween stream.

That’s like the playlists that Spotify makes. It’s a bunch of different music that’s Halloweenie.

It was for one song called Dark Crystal created under the artist, AKA Happy Halloween Music. It was featured on a Halloween-themed Peloton cycling class playlist, which also included tracks like I Put A Spell On You from the Beetlejuice soundtrack. There are no words from the way I’m reading this. It’s just mood music.

He said that during that time period, he made zero money on Spotify because they won’t pay you unless a song gets more than 1,000 spins in a year. If that doesn’t hit that, they won’t pay you. Part of the reason his song isn’t getting the plays on Spotify is that Spotify has started on these playlists that are mood-driven like lo-fi hip-hop beats or jazz instrumentals.

If you ever look at those lists and you’re like, “Who are these people? How do they make a living? Does anybody go out and buy these CDs?” A lot of these people don’t exist. They’re not real. Spotify contracts to have these songs produced because they know that you’re not listening to a song like you would for Beyonce or the Beatles. You’re listening because you want something on in the background. They don’t want to pay royalties for that.

They give these people a few hundred dollars to create these songs and then they curate these playlists full of those songs. In the past, someone like this guy would have created a song that would have ended up a one of those playlists and then Spotify would push it out. This guy would make a bunch of money based on the royalties because he ended up on a Spotify playlist.

Spotify don’t even want to spend actions of a penny on these things so they give somebody a few hundred dollars, and then they own the copyright, and then they create all these playlists. A lot of the Spotify playlists that you listen to for mood purposes are just background noise, they’re full of Spotify-purchased songs that they don’t have to pay anyone for.

That is why I think he made infinitely more money from Peloton than he did for Spotify, which is great for him. Peloton has a lot fewer opportunities to use songs like this so the music God smiled upon him and he ended up on a Peloton playlist. Good for him. That’s not an option very many people will have. I would love to know how they found his stuff.

The Peloton instructors have a database that is somehow linked to Spotify, but it’s not all the music on Spotify somehow driven by all those licensing deals that they have. When the instructors go in because it’s proprietary software, they go in and they choose their music, but it’s like this background back-end information coming in from Spotify. Spotify is somehow feeding it, but also there’s a whole bunch of licensing agreements that say what’s turned on and what’s turned off. Somehow he ended up on a list that they could choose from.

Based on what this is and how much he made, he got $1,000 for the month, my gut tells me that it was a Lanebreak.

That makes sense. I wanted to also say that it was like $0.03 back in 2021. This gentleman made $0.04 per play, so that’s a lot higher than what they had back in 2021. This is now the newest rate that we have that Peloton is paying. I just think that is worthwhile.

It is fascinating. People are always interested in how the music works on Peloton. As a music guy, I find it fascinating.

It is very complex.

If you are a Guardian Life employee, you now get access to the Peloton app.

Yes, and wellness articles through Guardian Life. That started in January and members who have approved long-term disability claims will also receive a six-month Peloton App One membership that supports their recovery with classes that are focused on stretching, meditation, and strength. I think that is super cool.

Coming up after this, we’re going to talk to Dr. Jenn. The inauguration is upon us. Maybe you loved it, maybe you hated it. She’s going to give you some tips on how to navigate it regardless of where you stand. Stick around.

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Joining us once again is Dr. Jenn Mann, a licensed marriage, family, and child therapist, and sports psychology consultant. She was a five-year national team member in rhythmic gymnastics and sports psychology for USA Gymnastics. It’s Dr. Jenn.

Hello.

It’s time for the election question. I’m going to word it a little bit differently than what is written here, but I know what the gist is. That’s what I know you’ll speak to. Paul Ericson wants to know how people should navigate all of the anger and frustration, and also just the grief that comes along with you thought one thing might happen and then another thing happened. How do you do all this and not hurt people around you physically and mentally?

I’m hearing this question in a lot of different shapes and forms. It’s important to keep a few things in mind. One is that if the election didn’t go the way you hoped it to go, there would be a lot of catastrophize. There are a lot of people who are going through the worst possible case scenario. I say this to my clients a lot and to various family members. Try not to live in a future that hasn’t happened yet and may not even happen.

When you catastrophize and you live in the worst-case scenario, it creates enormous anxiety for you. It creates a lot of anger. It creates a lot of fear and it prevents you from thinking clearly when it comes to what you can do that might feel productive to help move forward with things that are important to you. How can you advocate for the causes that are important to you?

It’s important to keep in mind that our country has been around for a long time. We’ve had a lot of ups and downs. We will survive any president, any candidate, and any one person we have, we will continue to. Make sure that you take care of your mental health, that you are mindful of who you have conversations with, and that you are open-minded.

I am a big believer that no matter what your political ideology is, you should be hearing from both sides of the aisle. You should understand better people who feel differently about the causes, the issues, the policies, and the politics, and why they feel that way. Try to be open-minded. This is an opportunity to do that and to also figure out how you can use that fear, anger, and frustration to do positive things, to stand up for causes that you believe in, to advocate for people, places, and things that are important to you so that you can feel productive and not get stuck. It’s very easy to get stuck in hurt, anger, fear, and catastrophizing. That is not in your best interest.

The holidays are coming up. There are going to be a lot of family interactions. There are going to be a lot of people disagreeing over the dinner table. What what do you do? Do you just like, “I don’t want to talk about it?”

There are some people you can talk about it with and those who come from that “seek to understand” philosophy. There are people who you can’t talk about it with. They get mean. They yell and scream. It’s not productive or helpful for anyone. You have to first know who you’re talking to. Is it someone who you can have an interesting discussion that is an intellectual philosophical conversation, or is it someone who’s going to get highly emotional, aggressive, and mean? That’s the first thing, screening who you have the conversations with.

Some families shouldn’t be talking politics. Typically, we say don’t talk politics or religion at these events and don’t drink too much. Drinking makes people say and do things, or smoking weed when you’re you’re inhibitions are down. Don’t show up at the family dinner for the holidays wasted or even tipsy because you need to have that superego in place to be able to say, “Maybe I shouldn’t say that, maybe that’s not productive, or maybe I should sit this one out.” It’s being able to go in clear-headed with good boundaries and to be able to know when it’s time to excuse yourself or say, “This doesn’t seem productive. Let’s talk about something else.

What if they’re saying don’t?

You excuse yourself. If things are getting out of hand and people are getting aggressive and hustling, then you say, “If you guys aren’t up for changing the subject, then I’m going to head home. I don’t want to have a high-conflict dinner. I want to have a peaceful and wonderful loving dinner. If we can’t do that, then let’s try again next year.”

Dr. Jenn is giving you permission to leave, a prescription if you will, and medical advice.

For some people, you shouldn’t be there to begin with. Some people go in knowing this is going to be hostile. This is going to be negative. For those people, “Maybe you want to rethink your holidays, maybe instead you partake in a brunch on another day but you don’t do Thanksgiving or you don’t do Christmas dinner or whatever it is that your family does if it goes hours and hours and people are drinking and behaving badly.

Thank you so much for all that. Until next time, where can people find you?

You can find me on social media @DrJennMann.

 

Thank you.

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Good news for fans of Jon Hosking. He’s coming to PSNY.

If you were lucky enough to sign up for a class on Valentine’s Day, you might be seeing him in a class there. He is teaching an interval run on Valentine’s Day and he is taking Matt Wilpers’ cycling class on February 14th and he has a big milestone to celebrate.

Bring him a flower this Valentine’s Day.

You probably get a picture with him even if you take a class with Matt and not his running class.

He seems like the sort.

He does. We got to meet him briefly. He’s a very nice guy.

Robin Arzon has confirmed that she has an upcoming cookbook.

She mentioned it while she was on the Hurdle Podcast. We talked about this last week and I can’t remember if it was on the main or the bonus. One of our listeners was on it like, “I got confirmation. Listen to the Hurdle Podcast on January 1st.” Robinson confirmed and it is going to be coming out soon in 2026.

I don’t know that I’d called that soon.

Soon for a book release. That’s not soon in the world we live in but in book time, that’s pretty quick.

Joslyn Thompson Rule has launched season 2 of her podcast. There was a season 1?

Yeah, we talked about it. It’s called Listen Loudly. She talks about all kinds of different topics. She brings in amazing guests, including several Peloton instructors. She talks about all kinds of different topics that are important to her and it gets deep. It’s a deep conversation. She does a good job of moving the conversation and doing a good job of interviewing. Not everybody can do that. Not everybody can have a conversation off the cuff and she does both very well. It’s a great podcast. I highly recommend listening.

I was on her website when I was digging around and I noticed that she had a podcast in 2018. A different one.

It is this podcast though. It’s the same type of podcast. She repurposed it. She went on a sabbatical for a long time from the podcast because she got hired at Peloton and also life happened. She decided it was finally time to bring it back. Last year, she had it out for several episodes and then it was supposed to come back in the fall and then life happened again. Now it’s it’s finally here.

Susie Chan and Jeffrey McEachern are going to help you if you’re gearing up for the London Marathon.

They’re going to be doing a bunch of live Q&A for the London Marathon. Regardless of what Marathon you’re training for, you’re going to get a lot of information out of that. They both refer to each other as their work spouse. They’re both lovely fun people. You talk to Jeffrey. We talked to him for a long time when he was in New York, just a super nice guy, and Susie is super nice. The two of them together talk about running sounds delightful.

We have another Capital One partnership.

I forgot we already had some of these.

We were like Capital One Cafe. What is that? Now you can see Jess King there as well.

She’ll be at the cafes too? She’s like repping the cafes. I didn’t even look at this. Somebody sent it and I just pasted it.

Based on the Instagram post, she was at a Capital One Cafe. She’s holding coffee or something in the picture on YouTube. I assume it’s more like Capital One Cafe questions.

That makes perfect sense. I didn’t even make the connection that she was holding a cup of coffee. I got nothing. Sorry.

Normally, you’re so quick to spot coffee.

That’s true. I was like, “I can’t have that coffee.” There’s no point in me being excited about it.

Kristin McGee is teaching a yoga certification program if you’re looking to learn how to teach it.

I went to the information session about this and it’s cool. It’s taking place in April and May. It’s going to be over eight weekends and I know you’re thinking, “I can’t go be in person.” That’s the beauty of it. They’re offering virtual and in-person. Kristin moved to Idaho when she left Peloton. She is in a different time zone now but she’s still teaching yoga. She’s still doing a lot with yoga and she is going to be able to help you get a 200-hour teaching certificate for this.

This is no joke. It’s all it’s a lengthy course.

As I said, it’s over eight different weekends. Part of the program is a private mentoring session with Kristin. There are all kinds of stuff that you get to learn about meditation. They do some kind of reading, which I didn’t know anything about. I don’t know what that means, but it is in-depth and it sounds very cool. It’s hosted by The Yoga Studio in Idaho, where Kristin lives and it’s called True North Yoga.

If you are interested in this, all you have to do is reach out to Kristin through her DMs on Instagram. If for some reason you don’t know how to do that, email me and I’ll help you. That’s ClipOutCrystal@Gmail.com, but she will be happy. The classes start in April so there’s some time. I know that there is another information session next week. If you are interested, you still have time to sign up for that information session.

We will have more information about that coming up in the not-too-distant future.

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We sure will.

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The latest artist series features Jelly Roll.

We saw him not too long ago on Saturday Night Live. I had never heard a song by him. I enjoyed it. When I hear the word Jelly Roll, I have no idea what to expect. I didn’t know what I was getting at.

I expect an old-time ragtime piano when I hear Jelly Roll. I don’t know why.

I totally see that. My brain goes question mark.

Or a 1920s era blues guitarist.

He’s neither of those, but he does have a very soulful voice in quite a country slant, but I did it anyway. I don’t know very much about his songs, but I know there are a lot of people who do.

He’s very popular.

I’m sure this will be a very popular artist series.

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Tonal is also doing some nice things for people affected by the LA fire. Some would say nicer.

It is what it is. This is amazing what Tonal is doing. This is their message, “Our hearts go out to our Los Angeles members who have been affected by the devastating wildfires. We hope you and your loved ones are safe. The Tonal community is here to support you through this difficult time. We want you to know that replacing your Tonal shouldn’t have to be an additional burden. If you’ve personally been affected by this tragedy, please contact our care team when you’re ready, and we’ll be happy to offer you a full replacement at no cost to you. In the meantime, please reach out and we can pause your membership.” Amazing.

That is awesome.

Tonal, freaking well done.

I also get that there are a lot fewer Tonals out in the wild than there are Pelotons. I think this also maybe feeds into the idea that they’re phasing out that Tonal.

That’s true. I also think that if Peloton is phasing out their regular bike, they have stuff they could do. Some people are trying to organize Peloton giving them app membership for free right now. I’m not saying it won’t happen, but at the moment, it’s a complete no-go. It’s a very different company than it was. It is what it is. They’re trying to make a profit and that’s goal one. Good job, Tonal.

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You might remember a while back we had Kim Holderness on the show. Episode 197, for those of you who are keeping score at home.

We’re almost at 400. She was over 200 episodes ago. That does not seem that long ago.

The Holderness family, you’ve probably seen their videos.

They’re funny as hell.

They have a new wicked parody out, and there’s a Peloton reference within their wicked video.

It’s brilliant and it holds, and it’s great.

It’s to the tune of Defying Gravity. It’s about January getting back to reality from a diet and exercise standpoint.

For those of you ladies who are on the menopausal or perimenopausal side, they also have a new video out that. Kim puts out episodes all the time, or little videos about this, but her newest one does not mention Peloton, but it’s her talking to a friend, and cannot remember anything. It’s like, “Remember that time we had lunch at the place? What was it?” It’s like that whole conversation. I feel that so hard.

I feel that for you.

I know. Remember when I used to remember things? That was nice.

Like my name.

I know your name. Stop it.

What is it?

Tom.

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It is time to take a look at the TCO Top Five. You tell us your favorite classes of the week and then we tell them back to you or something like that.

Number one, your favorite core class.

 

Rebecca Kennedy is on the list twice this week and this is the first one.

You know what it is. It is the year of Rebecca. She is on a freaking roll with strength. People are loving her classes. Every week, I get more and more. People are telling me how much they love her classes. She’s coming to her own on this. There was a 15-minute core strength class that was taught or posted back on November 26th and people loved it. Melissa nominated this class and she said that she loved it because Rebecca used a towel as equipment to add resistance to the moves. She said that it was amazing how much a towel could change each of these exercises.

Number two, your favorite chest and back strength class.

This was taught by Rad Lopez on December 5th. Nikki Smith recommended this class. She said that she loved that Rad does an excellent job of categorizing all of his strength classes. This one focused on volume. It was high reps and short rest periods. I agree with her. I like the way Rad breaks down. He’s like, “This is her hypertrophy. This is for endurance.” He’s excellent at his categorization.

Number three, your favorite yoga class.

Elizabeth Schlossberg, Minute To Spin It is her leaderboard name. She recommended this class. It was taught by Denis. It was a 20-minute yin-yoga class from November 12th. She said this is in the Power Zone challenge yoga pairing this week, but she does it all the time. It feels amazing. We also have benefits linked In this particular article so that you can get all the benefits of yin-yoga classes as well.

Number four, your favorite full-body strength class.

Rebecca is back. This was a class she taught on January 12th. It’s a 30-minute full-body strength. Mary Hambert Abbott’s favorite class this week was this one. Mary said that she loved this class because it was full of EMOMs. That’s a reason for me to hate it personally. This class had two 12-minute EMOMs, consisting of three basic exercises. All done four times through. That sounds terrible. I just like a certain number, do it however long it takes, and move on.

Finally, some classes are very difficult. You dare not stack them. We call them unstackable. Your favorite unstackable run.

Tammy Armstrong is back and she dug deep in the archives. We are going back to June 24th of 2020.

We have to ask the question though, Tammy Armstrong. What the hell is wrong with you? Who goes back to 2020? That’s insane.

Two times in a row. The last class we did in 2020 was also from Tammy. She likes going back there. She said that this 30-minute new tracks run with Olivia Amato from home is worth going back for. It’s a run-from-home class. People might remember back when we could see the inside of instructor’s fitness 2020 was wild. Tina also mentioned when she wrote the article that you should check out Olivia’s wall of shoes which is worth checking out when you take this class. Tammy said that she’s a slow runner but she managed to chase and beat her PR on this run with Olivia’s coaching. She was blown away that Olivia also managed to braid her ponytail mid-run. That is amazing.

Logan Aldridge has a new program on the Strength Plus App. He does. The Strength Plus App is for people listening in case you don’t know because you haven’t been paying attention. There’s a lot of them. It’s brand new, so it’s a separate app, completely separate from everything else. This is Logan’s first strength program on the app and it’s all with barbells. I’m super excited about this one because Logan is a beast with the barbells. He makes lifting with one arm so freaking easy.

I have to see the picture here.

How do you do that, man? He’s incredible. Any opportunity to take a lifting class with Logan, where he is showing me how amazing he is and I can only hope to be that someday, I’m all about. Check out that new strength program. It’s called Dynamic Strength, and it’s three times a week for two weeks, 45 to 60 minutes.

If you’re wondering about yoga plus Pilates, wonder no more. Helper Bee Elizabeth has a full article over at TheClipOut.com that explains it all to you.

We talked about this last week, but Elizabeth has been on a roll running these articles.

She’s so good at explaining things, she’s legally changing her name to Clarissa.

Because she explains it all. I got it. These yoga plus pilates classes were taught by Anna Greenberg. They’re amazing. What’s great about this article is Elizabeth breaks down a little bit of the history of yoga and pilates, how they got combined, and why it’s so effective.

Benny Adami and Mayla Wedekind are leading a retro journey for German users. Let’s hope they skip the 1940s.

I know, right? I think this is a music retro journey. Based on the images, it looks like they’re celebrating different bands.

Everything is in color. I’m thinking like the ‘80s is on.

I don’t know what year it started because it looks like some punk in there, but I don’t know when punk started in Germany.

Probably in the ‘70s.

I didn’t know if it landed the same. I think this is a cool idea and I’m excited about it because I don’t feel like Germany gets a lot of attention for brand-new series and stuff that they do and they’ve been doing a lot more of them lately. I hope this one goes well.

Erik Jäger is celebrating five years with Peloton.

Isn’t that cool?

Where does the time go? They grow up so fast.

They do. I can still remember the day I got a little inbox, “Look who’s following Peloton. It could be a new instructor.”

I do remember that night you say that. They are celebrating that with a new Erik Jäger greatest hits collection.

I love that they’ve started doing these greatest-hit collections. This one starts with 65 classes, all of Erik’s, best stuff.

65? That’s like a box set. When you used to get the greatest hits CDs, the artist had one CD.

They don’t write that many songs comparatively is what I’m trying to say.

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Yeah, but then you would have the other artists that would get a double CD, and then you’d have the artists who will come out with the box sets.

The anthology, but you have to remember, they teach so many classes.

For sure. It’s a little different. There is a new sleep meditation program.

The cool part about this is there are three new programs because it’s one in German, one in English, and one in Spanish. Seven days to sleep better.

We also have a Push Your Pace program.

This doesn’t start until the 17th. I’m excited about this. It’s four weeks long and you’re going to get three different classes each week from Adrian, Camila, Kristin, Joslyn, and Matt. It is all about making your fastest mile ever. It’s targeted speed workouts that improve your pace. Thank you for finally doing this, Peloton. I’ve only been asking since you started the tread. I’m very excited, seriously.

We have a new split program coming on January 25th, so you have plenty of time to get your splits ready.

This is the first time we have had a split-plus hiking program. It’s only been a little bit of time since they started releasing these split-plus programs. Just to remind people, this is where you go and do several workouts or several lifts off of the machine, but then you finish whatever split-plus it is on the machine. In this case, you’re going to go to your tread or your Tread+, and it’s going to be finishing with a hike.

Finally, in the content section, Mike Wallace will do a class of 60-minute Pilates.

It’s the second-ever 60-minute pilates class coming up, and it’s going to be taught by Mila Lazar. She taught the last 60-minute class as well. It’s interesting. We are wondering within the TCO group if this means that Peloton has data that German members are looking specifically for longer Pilates classes because it’s strange that it hasn’t been done in Spanish or English. Not that I’d begrudge them, but it makes me wonder about it.

That’s a fair question.

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We have a collaboration with Mayfair.

I don’t know anything about them, but they teamed up with Peloton to do this apparel collection, and that’s all I got for you. None of it is my jam. I’m not interested in any of it. I’m not down-talking it. I just don’t understand anything about it. I’m just telling you it exists, but they do have a very cool shopping event that did happen on January 10th. It was a special shopping event where you could come in and get exciting prizes and they were celebrating the launch of the collection. That was pretty cool.

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We have two birthdays this week on January 19th. We have the birthday of one Cliff Dwenger, and then on January 22nd, Ben Alldis.

Happy birthday to Cliff and Ben.

Happy birthday. Coming up after this, we have our interview of the week. We’re going to talk to Annie Smith. Stick around.

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Joining us is Annie Smith. How’s it going?

Great?. Wonderful. Happy New Year.

Happy New Year to you too. I always like to start these conversations off by understanding what your background is with Peloton. When did you originally find Peloton and decide to try it out?

Finding Peloton After The Pandemic

I did not find it till after the pandemic. I tried it at a hotel. My husband and I did that. We loved it. That’s when we decided, “Let’s get our own.” We ordered one. It came and both of us loved it. At the same time, we bought a competitor activity Hydrow. We do the Hydrow side by side with the Peloton a lot of the time, the two of us. We both do a ton of programs a lot. Weirdly, I don’t use the run program as much on the Peloton.

That’s interesting. You got the bike to start with.

We did. I don’t have the treadmill. That was on my wish list. We moved from a 6,000-square-foot house down to a 3,000. It was like, “What do we do with a big treadmill?” We didn’t do that. We stuck with the Peloton bicycle, the cycle, and all the other programs that we do.

Also, completely unrelated. When we were recording this week, we were talking about Hydrow. Since you’re a Hydrow user, I have to ask this. I noticed that there’s been a lot of hubbub about their pricing structures.

The Hydro Hubbub: Navigating Pricing Changes And Platform Concerns

I’m in a Facebook group that’s insane. All the new people that are coming on, you can tell they’re panicked and I get that too because we bought them right at the same time as when we bought our Peloton. It’s a big deal and I think there’s a concern that it’s going to continue forward as a platform. What do we do with this giant long machine in our house then?

That’s a fair question. Do you ever use the Peloton program on your Hydrow? I see a lot of people who do that.

I don’t. We keep talking about when we need to transfer it over. My husband and I travel a whole lot. We keep saying, “What day are we going to do it?” and then we have done it. I’d love to do that. They took a whole bunch of their Hydrow row instructors over there anyway to Peloton. I’d be familiar looking at them.

What do you mean?

At the time that Peloton decided to start doing rowing programs, some of the instructors from Hydrow moved over there to help do that.

Like who?

Are you going to ask me that now? I don’t remember. I just remember the hubbub when it happened.

 

Got you. I knew that Alex Karwoski’s brother used to work at Hydrow. He was one of the coaches over there. He got married and the person he was married to still works at Hydrow as far as I know. He has had a lot since then.

There’s been a lot of changing of the guard there. I think this week, somebody left.

I can understand why.

I can’t even imagine how expensive it must be to put on those live programs that they do because they go all over the world.

They do. That’s always been their big draw at Hydrow. Before Peloton, before Hydrow, what kind of workouts were you guys doing? Were you doing any? Were you one of those people that have been active your whole life?

From Football To Fitness: A Lifelong Journey Of Physical Activity

I’ve been active my whole life. I started at 7 years old. I’m 60 now. At 7 was my first real foray into sports and I played football for another seven years till I was 14. I played everything in high school as a kid. In college, I went out for soccer, then I chose a different form of exercise and then I had three kids. I started getting back into my life of being physical with tennis, and then I started running.

I’ve been a runner for probably since I was 40. I got back into the real exercise world. I’ve been running ever since for 20 years. I took a little sabbatical from running for about a year. My mother passed away and we were moving and it was a lot of stuff. It’s the first time in 20 years that I haven’t done a lot of racing or running. My last race was last year in May. I was in Amsterdam and I did a 10K there. Right now, I’m training for a 10K in Orlando.

Is that one of the Disney ones?

It is my first Disney race. Out of all these years that I’ve been running, I’ve never done a Disney race. Part of my husband’s job is in Orlando. We’ve gone down there several times. I was like, “I should do one.” I know I’ll regret it. I don’t know, but I think it’ll be super fun. I picked the 10K. I was like, “I don’t want to commit either way.”

I want to back up and talk about when you were seven because I’m fascinated by the idea of flag football for girls.

I grew up in Aurora, Colorado Public School. That was a big program and it was citywide. My team was the champion in the first year. That’s what got me hooked. I got a little football trophy. What’s amazing to me now is that in D1 schools. Women’s flag football is a big sport.

I have no idea. We don’t follow sports. We’re the worst sportsy people ever.

I’m not as sportsy as I say sometimes.

Especially 53 years ago because this is pre-Title Nine.

I always tell people, “Title Nine is a bigger deal than you can only imagine.” We didn’t have to have equality. My mom was big in sports. She played basketball in high school and was a riflery champion. That was a big thing. My grandma was a huge supporter when it came around. It’s a big deal. A lot of women don’t realize that.

You have a lot of badasses in your family with rifles and flag football.

Don’t mess with them.

My mother can’t do basketball so she took up riflery. She was the Colorado State Riflery Champion when she was 18 years old. I never shot a gun in my whole life. My parents weren’t hunters or anything like that. That’s just what she took up back then in high school.

There is this bias in the world where something like Title Nine will pass and then these things change and then they’re in place for 50 or 60 years, and people are like, “These laws are silly. Of course, we have all these things,” and then you take it away, and all of the sudden, all those things start to disappear.

I graduated from high school in 1982. I feel like I grew up on the cusp of girls and women getting into sports. I went to the University of Colorado. I remember my girlfriends in college getting kinesiology degrees and that was not a big thing for girls.

I think that’s cool because I’ve lived in Missouri my whole life. When you talk about any kind of football, that’s for the boys. It is very much like Friday night lights around here where I grew up.

My roommate in high school was the first girl in the state of Colorado to play on a boy’s football team. That was from 1981 to ‘82.

What position did she play?

She was a center. That’s a tough spot for a girl. I played center from 7 to 14 as well. It’s a tough position. You have to be tough because they’ll hit you hard.

That’s the one where they’re always sacking you, right?

You get pushed a lot because you’re delivering the ball to the quarterback.

I know nothing about sports. What I only know about it is a plot point in a film. Normally, when you see a female on a male football team, they tend to be the kicker.

I probably could have done that. In football, they are all soccer-related. Who knew that was going to come down the pike too?

What a great point. You are active now. Has your husband always been an active person too?

He was the Colorado State tennis champion in high school. He’s a tennis player and he played baseball and he was a walk-on. After I met him, my parents made me leave school because the phone bills were so large. I don’t understand that. They made me go to Texas Tech and he was a walk-on baseball player at Texas Tech. He got a second degree in tech and then he graduated with a Master’s, and then the rest was history after that. Nobody believes me when I say, “My parents told me, ‘If you have one more $650 phone bill, you will be breaking up with that boy or you get a scholarship and go to his school.’”

That’s a funny story looking back at it. In the moment, it was probably not very funny. They were like, “Who is this guy? This isn’t going to be a thing. What are we doing?”

“How can you stay on the phone that long?” I talk this much now. I talked a lot then too.

It’s so funny because you’re right, our kids will never understand the worry of a phone bill going over. They can’t even picture it.

 

I would take the cord and go all the way down around the corner at my dorm because I didn’t want my roommate to hear what I was saying to him. There was a reason. We were attached to a chord. Back then when he didn’t answer, I didn’t know when I was going to talk to him.

Just like if you couldn’t watch TV that day, whenever it was on, you never see it again. We didn’t have DVRs back then.

I’m feeling old.

Me too. We had a party line when I was a kid.

We didn’t have one, but my mom, I remember them having them for sure.

She grew up in Mayberry.

That’s how antiquated it was. Even though I am younger than you, we still had a party line.

Some smaller communities did. I’m surprised Colorado didn’t do it longer for sure.

That’s great. We got way off the track there. Have you ever been able to go to the Peloton Studios?

I have not. I am surprised at myself that I have not. I would love to.

It’s a lot of fun. Are you guys still in Colorado? Where do you live now?

I live in Houston Texas. We’re doing our best to get out of here if we can and go back to Colorado, but it hasn’t happened. I’ve been here for a long time. Twenty years.

That is a long time. You probably got a hat and everything.

I have my hat. I finally hit my limit on how hot it is when I run.

I have no idea how you’ve done it that long. I hate heat. I hate humidity and I train for a marathon this summer outside.

I heard that you did that.

It was awful.

Training Marathons With Peloton

For the first four years that I was a runner, I pretty much only ran on a treadmill and now I look at a treadmill and I go, “Do I have to?” It’s much to be outside but on these hot humid days in the middle of summer, when you’re training, that’s why I don’t do any fall major. I do half marathons but I try not to do anything in the summer. I start my training a little later because I’m old and I’ve been doing it for a long time, I’m a little better at my training.

Your body has a lot of conditioning in it. That’s like you’re ready to go. Do you ever try to take the Peloton classes with you? Do you ever try running classes or outdoor classes?

My husband and I will do yoga, meditation, and strength training. I’ve done that. I’m ashamed to say that I’ve never done a single running anything.

This is what I say all the time. People who are longtime runners look at a Peloton running class. They’re like, “I know how to run. I don’t need that. What do you do that for?”

Some people do it fairly regularly and they do like it and they all have asked me, “We should run together.” I’m like, “Okay,” but I never end up there. I do love all the other things. I love the people who do all the classes, the instructors. Leanne is cool.

We got to get you to try a run. You got to try and run. Susie and Becs are two of my favorites. Mariana is one of my favorites on the tread. We got to get you to try at least one run.

You’re 100% right. I always say that. Try something once, then you can say no.

Okay. I’ll leave you alone.

From Opera Singer To Nurse To Sommelier: A Multifaceted Career

What do you do for a living if we can ask?

Currently, I’m mostly retired. My husband and I do have a company that we work on together. He has his own job. I have two degrees in music. I was a voice performance major. I was going to be an opera singer and then I met and married him and it was going to be hard and some of the cities I was ever going to be in to be in an opera. I did teach music and did some things there, but then I became a nurse. I went back to school. When my parents made me go to Texas Tech, I went back to school and became a nurse. While he got his master’s, I became a nurse. I was a nurse for a lot of years, and now I’m a little bit more free.

What is the career path for an opera singer? You would be singing opera, but I would think it’s one of those things where that’s something that not everyone gets to do perfectly. That seems like there are limited paid positions in the world of opera.

Back then, there were. Funding for these things is far harder and you’ve got to be good. You could get in with a company. Most companies would have different groups within the company that you could sing for and sing with. If you weren’t doing major production. Nowadays here in the city of Houston, they do many productions at the same time. I played the violin for most of my life. Symphony too, they do all these like small things that because I have to make some money and they got to pay the musicians. The musicians don’t make anything.

It’s hard to get to that level. The other thing was when I was 49, I went back to school and became a level-two sommelier. I did that at the University of Houston. They have a program. The Marriott school has a restaurant program there. I did this through the International Sommelier Program. I used to prepare some wine menus privately for people at home to pair up with food. I’ve worked with one gentleman on his menu here in a restaurant.

How many levels are there?

Within the International Sommelier Program, not the Masters. That’s a different program, which I would love to have been in, but also my brain at 49 wasn’t doing this. Those are two good programs. There’s a level three. That’s pretty much the top. They did invite me back but at the time in my life, it’s a lot of training, a lot of drinking. You do all levels of alcohol. You do everything. You do spirits, you do wine, you do beer, you do all of it. It’s a lot.

I know we had, I believe Michelle on. It was a while back and she was going through the training to become a sommelier and she was explaining some of it. I was like, “Whoa.” It’s so nuanced with every little thing. I do not have a palate.

 

Women have had some of the best palates. For years and years, it’s always been men that dominated the field but women have great noses and great palates.

I think I’m I don’t use mine.

I hate wine so that would be a problem.

What is your leaderboard name?

AnnieSFannie. Same as everywhere. When I was growing up my brother nicknamed me AnnieSFannie or Annie Fan.

That’s what brothers do.

My name was Anne and his name was Andy. I could have done Raggedy Ann but I don’t want to be associated with the word raggedy, so I’m AnnieSFannie.

It’s been so long since Raggedy Ann and Andy have been in the pop culture. Anybody under probably 45 would have no idea what you’re talking about.

There was a TikTok that went around recently of this woman. Her name was Anne. She did a whole bit on it, and it was big. It made a comeback many times. The doll is still out there, but my brother and I had more than our fair share. Everyone thought it was the funniest gift to give.

The Peloton Community: Connecting With Instructors And Classes

Do you have a preferred instructor?

I love Leanne Hainsby Alldis and I miss Kendall. She had a way of bringing you through the class from start to finish. I won’t say gradual, but you’re level of excitement and the physical workout was to me, always perfect. It suited me well. Leanne, I love her. I love her personality. I like to watch her and listen to all the music that she picks out because she picks a lot of times things that I love for my generation. She’s great, her personality, and everything about her. I think she’s wonderful. I do like Cody. I always like to say I’m the good, the bad, and the ugly.

I was like, “Which is which?”

I’m not guessing.

I love Cody, Leanne, and Kendall. Those are my go-to, In certain days, you want a Cody yelling in your ear and saying his sarcasm.

He has a vibe that he brings.

Sassy vibe.

Advice For Newbies: Embracing The Peloton Experience

Do you have any advice for people just now entering the world of Peloton?

I still am under the #newbie because I don’t feel like I’ve been doing it forever. First and foremost, always take the stretching class after and hopefully, before as well. I think mixing it up is what helps with the longevity of anything like that. Take one of the lives. Take a dedicated class. I think I’ve tried almost every instructor or I hope I have, and then I like the destination rides for sure. Take everything you can except for running. Take other things too because I think they’re wonderful.

Don’t run.

That’s her advice. Don’t run.

People who would hear this are going to be like, “We’ve been trying forever.” It’s not like I’m going, “No way.” It just hasn’t happened.

We have to make it happen.

I’ve had coaches over the years. I’ve had pretty steady people in my life who are helping me along. I do feel sometimes like, “What do I need?” You always need inspiration. Just do the stretching afterward, especially when you’re new. You do not even realize where it’s going to hurt after you do that.

Very good advice.

Karaoke Nights As An Opera Singer

I have one final question. As a trained and degreed opera singer, do you ever go to karaoke nights and hustle people?

I never hustle people. Here’s the thing about singing. You do have to keep at it just like you’re playing the violin. You do have to keep at it to keep your voice in practice, but I do know a lot about music in general. I do like to go to karaoke. I do like to do it but I don’t think I always blow people away. Plus the opera sound is very different than what you do in karaoke. You are sounding different and sometimes you’re like, “I can’t sing.”

You’re like, “Here’s a video of me from fifteen years ago.”

I get that because, in opera, I can’t understand what they’re saying. Even if it was in English.

They are largely Italian.

All the love languages. German even is considered sort of it.

There’s something like in my ear and this is across all music. This is not subject to any one thing. There are certain pitches when I hear them, I literally cannot hear what people are saying. Opera hits those pitches for me. Because of that, I have no appreciation for it. I can’t sit there and go, “That’s beautiful,” and it’s frustrating.

We both have that problem with Arianna Grande.

That’s beautiful singing and I know that, but I can not hear her.

 

One of the things you’re taught throughout your training is how to project, how to enunciate, and how to model certain words with your mouth so that they are kind of understandable or heard, but I can tell you a funny story. My maiden name is Burnett. They say. “What’s your name?” I’d say, “Ann Burnett.” Through college, a whole group of people thought my name was Amber Net. My friends like to mess with me. They’ll send me stuff that says Amber Net. I used to swallow my sounds and I’m very nasal sometimes so it’s difficult for sure. It’s true. People can’t appreciate all that sometimes.

I find it frustrating that I can’t. I do wish that I could.

I’m sure because it’s a fun genre to be involved with.

Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to join us. Before we let you go, remind everybody where they can find you in all the places.

Anywhere I am on the platform, less and less it is drawn down to Instagram. I’m AnnieSFannie. That’s where you’ll find me. I have been there since 2013. I’ll be racing around. You can always look me up and on any kind of race place.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, guys. I appreciate it.

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I guess that brings this episode to a close. Until next time, where can people find you?

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Bye.

 

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