355. Peloton Cracks Down On IP Infringement Plus Our Interview With Samantha Farrell

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  • Get a free Guide with equipment purchase.
  • Is Peloton getting strict on IP enforcement again?
  • Say goodbye to Peloton’s free tier app membership.
  • Outdoor running classes and programs added to Tread and Tread+.
  • @PelotonStudios told us about March Updates.
  • Meteor & Regatta games have been pulled from beta testers.
  • Peloton releases Spring Wellness report.
  • Details on the Berlin Half Marathon.
  • Jenn – Maintaining Your Energy and Motivation
  • Callie Gullickson had her baby.
  • Mayla Wedekind has launched her book.
  • Kendall Toole speaks out against recent TikTok Trend.
  • Mariana Fernandez doing first 90-minute live run.
  • Camilla Ramon took a lucky member to PSNY for a shopping spree.
  • The latest artist series features Jose Gonzalez.
  • Peloton 4 Parkinson’s is coming up on April 27.
  • TCO Top 5.
  • This Week At Peloton.
  • Adrian Williams launches Tag Team Row Bootcamp.
  • Cliff Dwenger set to debut Gloriously Gospel.
  • Kendall Toole had an Easter Ride followed by a low-impact/gospel class.
  • March 31 was Trans Day of Visibility and featured four new classes.
  • Peloton Apparel teased a new release.
  • Birthdays – Jermaine Johnson (4/5), Ally Love (4/6), Jennifer Jacobs (4/7)


All this plus our interview with Samantha Farrell

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Peloton Cracks Down On IP Infringement Plus Our Interview With Samantha Farrell

We have new curtains for our podcast room, and it’s so dark in here. I sit right across from the little windows in our room, and so it’s always right in my face and now it’s not.

I’m hoping at some point that Kevin and I will get around to figuring out what long-term lighting solution we want to do because there are so many different ways we use this room with different podcasts that it’s hard to find one that’s suitable for all around. I’m tired of the ring lights.

Me, too. I feel like we’re always tripping over. Before we get too far afield, let’s do our Bingo Call Out.

I tried. Bingo number one this week. Benny Adami.

We should also take a minute to remind people about the book club.

Yes, we should. It’s actually coming up so fast. We are going to be doing the book club. It’ll be April 9th, 7:00 PM Central, 8:00 PM Eastern. We are discussing Maid by Stephanie Land.

I should also let people know, not to brag, but I got to the 51% mark in the book I am reading. I started reading it when we got done with the last Book Club.

Actually, you’re going faster than I thought you were because it’s so long.

I’m reading a very long book. It’s like reading the dictionary. I figure you read the dictionary. It’s all the books, just not in order. Once you read the dictionary, you’re done. You have to read it once. It’s going to take a long time, but then you’re done.

You’re done with all the books forever.

I have read every book ever. That’s my prevailing theory. Actually, I’m reading the book because, at heart, I’m an early ‘80s housewife. I am reading The Winds of War.

I have to tell you, it sounds really boring. You make it sound boring. You’re like, “Guess what? So and so almost slept with so and so.”

There are three different points of the book where a different character almost had an affair. I’m glad people are staying faithful. I’m a big fan of fidelity.

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At the same time, it’s fiction.

I’m reading this for the drama. I don’t want to read The Winds of Almost War. “Thank God we averted that battle through peaceful diplomatic channels.”

That doesn’t even feel like real life anymore.

In real life, absolutely. The yay, peaceful diplomatic channels. In a book or a movie, that’s a snooze. I want some drama.

Your Jersey Shore is showing.

Anyway, that’s the book club.

We got way off track there.

Yes, we did. What have you got in store for people? That’s what I say here.

It is. First of all, we have an interview and we are going to be talking to her, of course, about all things Peloton. We have some interesting news that came out of Peloton. We’re going to talk about IP enforcement. We’re going to talk about the free Guide, outdoor running classes on the Tread, the March updates, what’s going on with the Row and the beta testing, all of those things. Plus, we have a visit from Dr. Jenn, and we’re going to talk about how to maintain your energy and motivation. Then we have a bunch of instructor news, and we’re going to talk about it all. A couple of surprises on here. Artist series. We have a past guest update. I think that’s it.

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I knew that.

Yeah, because you do the episode. It would be weird if you didn’t know about it.

There is so much on the bonus this week. It’s a lot.

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It’s been quite a bit. You can find that over at Patreon.com/theclipout. $5 a month. It’s not a lot. It helps fund all the things that go into producing the show. It’s a lot. In exchange for your $5, you get bonus episodes weekly, which are normally like an additional 20 to 25 minutes of content. If we get the episodes early, you get them early, and then when you get the weekly episode, there are no ads. All the ads will be removed.

We also have things like the Book Club. The Book Club is available for people on the free tier. If you want to check out Patreon but you don’t want to throw us your money or you want to dig around, there is some free stuff over there, like the Book Club. Swing on by and you can join up at Patreon.com/theclipout. Also, don’t forget, you can watch all of these episodes over on YouTube at YouTube.com/theclipout. That’s it for all this. Let’s dig in, shall we? I’m excited about this because I enjoyed the Ryan Reynolds movie Free Guy. It’s weird that Peloton is doing this with a movie like Free Guy that came out years ago.


What’s that?

It’s a free Guide.

Never mind.

You do get a free Guide if you buy certain equipment, pretty much any of it.

Any equipment but the Guide but it’s not a buy one get one free deal, so settle down.

You buy a Row, Bike, Bike+, Tread, Tread+. For any of the above, you get a free Guide.

I was wondering when they would do this.

Some people are suggesting that this means that that’s not really good for the Guide. I don’t know. I don’t know how I feel about this. Does that mean that or are they trying another see what sticks to the wall?

I don’t know. You can totally read that either way. I get the argument of like, “They’re just blowing these things out and then they’re done,” but why would you put a guide in the hands of all these people and then go, “We’re done supporting this?” That seems shortsighted.

I don’t think it means they’re going to not support it either way. I think that they’re still doing a lot of work on the strength. I think that there’s still a lot of new content coming out pretty darn fast with the strength. I don’t see that going away. It makes me wonder how many people are buying these things in the background even though they keep dropping them down to about $95.

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That’s my guess. I think the thought process is, “Let’s get these into the hands of people.” Maybe if you get enough out there and people start using them, they will start talking about them, and then you will sell them to other people. I also think they probably do have a very real value for people living in small apartments and want another piece of Peloton equipment. This is an easy, inexpensive option.

I have to bring up again that this is also the best deal. If you only get a Guide, and I know that doesn’t match, you got it for free if you were buying a piece of equipment. If you’re one of the people out there who you want to be part of the Peloton community and you’re trying to figure out which is the best app tier, and we can talk about this again later, there’s another place that this will make sense that the conversation, the Guide is absolutely your best bet.

It gets you that piece of equipment. You can get an all-access membership.

It’s not all-access. It’s called Guide, but you have access to all of the classes except what’s on the bike. You wouldn’t get the scenic classes. You wouldn’t get the Just Ride and things like that.

You don’t have access to the equipment-only classes.

Everything else you do.

It’s the way to go.

You get five people on it.

I also wonder if what you’ll see here soon is the secondary market, the resale market, flooded with very inexpensive Guides because if you’re buying a bike and it’s like, “If I check this bike, they send me a free Guide.” You throw it on Facebook Marketplace for $50. If you’re thinking about getting a Guide, you might be able to pick them up fairly inexpensively here soon.

That is true. There are all kinds of people trying to do weird things with the secondary market right now, too.

That is true. I work in the concert industry, so I’m very familiar with the secondary market and its impacts. We saw an interesting post. This was from the You Get To Crew.

I don’t remember exactly. I can’t find it.

I was going to let you read it, but I’ll read it. It says, “Hi all. Peloton related question. Has anyone had any Etsy listings removed for intellectual property reasons? I had a Comma Club sticker listed for months and it was taken down, saying that Peloton reached out to them about infringement. I understand that removing things saying Peloton or using the logo, but what I had listed strictly said Comma Club. I don’t think that’s something that’s likely to be copyrighted by them. Thoughts?”

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One of the comments that we included in the image is that it is potentially due to the fact that there is another instructor “collection” coming from apparel. Perhaps that’s going to be one of the things. I don’t know whether that is or isn’t going to happen, but I will say that a lot of the instructors do use the Comma Club as part of their vernacular when they’re celebrating a thousandth ride. You and I were talking about this and you brought up the fact that they do over on Tonal as well.

That’s not a Peloton thing. They talk about the Comma Club on Tonal. If your strength score is over 1,000, which mine is very close to, I’m ten points away. People say like, “I joined the Comma Club.” That’s not a Peloton-exclusive thing, but it does make you wonder if they trademarked that behind the scenes, and we just don’t know it yet. It is a good question. That being said, it’s weird that they would do copyright strikes on it if no one knows it. You can’t copyright something in secret and then go around and slap people for using it. This isn’t Soviet Russia. This isn’t Russia, is it?

Not yet. It’s interesting because people who haven’t been in the Peloton world a long time may not know, but there is a long and rich history of playing whack-a-mole with Etsy. This goes back years. Peloton has gone through periods where they’re very strict and start having everything removed. There are other periods of time where they’re not as strict.

I’ve definitely noticed in the last 2 to 3 years, it’s everywhere now. If you look on Etsy for Peloton, there are about a billion different listings. I thought that was interesting because it felt like it went unchecked. I will also say Peloton has had some other fish to fry over the last few years. I think that it has been more important to make sure that they are doing as well as possible fiscally before they start worrying about all of these different intellectual property rights.

Especially in a smaller area like Etsy. It’s not like when Echelon violates their IP. That is different. You also have to be careful because if you don’t protect an IP in one place, then it can get released into the wild, which is why Disney is always suing daycares for painting Mickey Mouse on the wall.

That is exactly right. It is something that Peloton has to stay up on. Even if they aren’t that personally upset about whatever it is that people are selling or doing, they do have to stick to it. I know that there have been, at times, Facebook groups that started as little tiny groups. They were told to stop selling their stuff. There are a lot of them out there that have had their hand slapped for things over the years.

We’ve talked about this before. It’s one of the reasons why, on The Clip Out, we went with a name that didn’t use any aspect of Peloton out of respect to their IP. Not everyone chooses that.

No, they don’t. The thing is that we were very careful about our name and how we worded things. We thought of all that way back at the beginning. Some people don’t think of it, but also some people don’t care. I think that Peloton, to be fair, can’t split how they look at it right now. This has been brought up before. It is strange how Peloton picks and chooses what they go after and what they don’t like. If you remember the Peloton Closet. Remember that? I can’t remember that lady’s name off the top of my head. It’s been so long since we’ve talked to her. She wasn’t doing anything different than a lot of other websites, and they shut down her and others. It was very strange.

I feel like they were threatened by how big and fast that got. I also think they were getting ready to move into the apparel world, which we didn’t know about. She was basically helping people find clones of the outfits that instructors were wearing. They were like, “No. We’re starting our own apparel line and our own apparel Instagram.” They slapped that down hard.

Having said that, there are still others out there that do it. That seems not fair or cool.

I guess she could have changed her name and kept doing it.

I don’t know. Maybe. It didn’t seem to be the issue. I’ll just leave it at that. Allegedly, it was not the issue. I don’t know.

Those are stories we say for the Patreon.

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I will also say there’s always more than what meets the eye. Keep in mind that there are different people who work for Peloton that used to work for Peloton. That is something that maybe you could get away with in 2018. You can’t get away with in 2024 and vice versa, though it keeps changing.

Barry’s always doing that A/B testing. I think he did an A/B test and landed on C as in see you later, free tier app.

When we listened to the last earnings call Barry talked at, I wouldn’t say at length, but I would say in a few sentences that Peloton had thought that the free tier would be a very good gateway to bringing in new members. They found that that was not true. Not only was it not true, but they actually got more traction and better traction with the paid tiers, which they found interesting. It’s not crazy to me that it went away, but I did think it was interesting how they said not a word. They just updated the website. There was nothing, just silence.

I guess it’s one of those things that only affects the people who are using it. It seems like not that many people were using it. I would also love to know, I wonder if maybe if you were using the free tier level, if maybe it’s still there for you, they’re just not granting other people access to it. If you are a free tier app level member, you haven’t noticed a change because you still have that access. No one else can come in.

It was interesting because what they would do is update the classes. You only have access to some classes, and then they rotate that stock of classes. One, I always wondered how often they rotated it., and two, I wondered if it was often enough. If you were a person who wanted to use Peloton, it does not feel like they could stay up with what you wanted to do. I feel like I would get super frustrated. There’s no way I could do it. I would be like, ‘No, I want all of it. I want all of it or none of it.” That would drive me nuts.

I also wonder if what you’re going to see is them pivoting back to more opportunities for longer free trials.

It’s interesting you say that because they reduced the free trial. It was 30 days and now it’s 7. For the app tiers that are left, there’s the app one and the app, whatever. I don’t remember what it’s called, but there’s only two of them left. Those both are now seven-day trials instead of 30-day trials. This is going back to what I said earlier. This is where I’m like, “The Guide membership is your best bet.”

If you are a cost-conscious consumer and want as much Peloton as you can get for as low of a price point as you can, get a Guide.

You get five memberships for $24 a month and access to all the classes. That is the best deal, hands down. It’s what I would do. Obviously, if you are a person who’s only using it by yourself and you don’t have four other people to share it with, that’s not as good of savings. For those of you that do, that’s the way to go.

Outdoor running classes and programs have been added to the Tread and Tread+.

It’s so weird how they did this.

Why is that?

Before, you couldn’t access these classes at all. Now you can access some of the classes but get this. It shows up as a black screen. I don’t know if this was an oops or if they’re getting ready to put those classes on there. Now you can go in and sign up for, let’s say, the You Can Run program or the road to the marathons All Outdoor classes. You can access it through the Tread but it shows up as a black screen. They’re all audio classes, so make of that what you will.

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You’d think they’d come up with some static image to put up on your screen.

I don’t think there’s even noise, though. It’s like you’re not taking the class. It’s almost like it’s messing with you. You think you can take it, but you can’t. That’s why I’m wondering if they’re getting ready to put those or if this is an oops.

The other thing is with a static image, though, you run the risk of burning an image into your screen, especially if you’re taking a long run. Maybe that’s what they’re struggling with do they put up a screensaver or some sort of video that moves even occasionally so you don’t damage your screen?

I have no idea. I thought it was interesting that it changed.

Peloton Studios had information about March updates

It’s all things that we’ve told you about already because we keep you right on top of the information. They announced in March that they had officially used the block member.

The hide tags and other members.

They also talked about what you can use, like FTMS.

FTMS is now available on for Android and iOS users.

Thank you. That means if you’re using a Concept2 rower, you can get the data to go into your app in real-time while taking the class.

The app is now compatible with other rowers.

Your brother-in-law, Steve, can finally take a Peloton class if he has a Concept.

He won’t.

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He could.

The third one says, “Don’t forget to check out our collections for curated content.”

I refuse to include that because they’ve been there for years at this point. That was lazy. They just wanted something else to add. They just wanted to remind you that they had them and existed. I thought that was lazy.

While we’re talking about rowers, we should also mention that Meteor and Ergatta Games, which had been in beta testing, have gone away. Do you think that means they weren’t popular or do you think it means that they’re getting ready to roll them out?

I think it means that they’re making changes and will either do another beta test or roll it out. That’s what I think.

You don’t think they’re going away for good?

No. I base that only on the fact that beta testing gets pulled completely very seldom. That’s not based on any data that I have. That is just my gut. I know that they were popular based on everything that I’ve heard. I can’t imagine these not making it, unless it’s about finances with the people that own these games. That would be the only thing that would hold it up, in my opinion.

It’s odd that it would be with both of them. Maybe that’s the change they’re making. It’s the way it’s set up. They have to get rid of one and not the other, but we’re just guessing now. This is conjecture. Don’t freak out if you like the games, especially because it’s conjecture from me. If it’s conjecture from Crystal, that’s normally pretty spot on. If it’s me conjecturizing about this stuff, don’t. Don’t let what I say upset you. Have you learned nothing after almost ten years of this show?

Has it been that long?

It is 2017, so that’s seven and a half or eight.

We’ve been doing this for a long time. Peloton is a big thing in our lives.


It is yours, too.

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Adjacent. Peloton has released a spring wellness report.

There’s not a lot to say. I think this is a way to get some press. It talked about how people change what their perceptions are of what constitutes as a workout. They said, “The latest spring wellness trends accentuate the prominence of mobility training and cozy cardio sessions.” Surprisingly, they said that Gen Z outpaces Baby Boomers in integrating wellness routines seamlessly into their daily lives through habit stacking. Many now view things like mowing the lawn, vacuuming, gardening, and even unloading the groceries as legitimate forms of physical activity. Now, this statistic, I believe.

I have a side eye.

Statistics show that women are more inclined than men to categorize household chores as part of their workout regimen. That’s because we are the ones doing it. I’m not saying no men do it because I know that there are, and thank you to all of you men who do, especially in men-only households. I can’t even imagine how that would go if you didn’t at least have one.

They say statistically, labor is divided more equally in same-sex households because you can’t fall into gender stereotypes.

We totally do. We fall into that so very much. I still think that we do a fairly good job outside of the podcast of splitting things. You deal with things I don’t want to deal with and I deal with things you don’t want to deal with.

That works out nicely. I’ll also say the two major gender stereotype tasks, which are men do yard work, cut the grass, and things like that, women clean the house. We’ve jobbed both of them out. It’s always like whenever we’re trying to adjust the budget, you’re like, “Maybe we should get rid of cleaning the house.” They come in about once a week or once every two weeks. It’s not like we have a maid or something, but I’m always like, “Does that mean I got to cut the grass? Let’s not touch either of those.” I like that. I cut the grass for the first 45 years of my life, and I do not like cutting the grass. I will take that deal.

Your time is valuable. You have to figure out how it works for you. It makes sense to me that women would be more inclined than men to categorize it.

My side eye was that I am having a hard time classifying bringing in groceries as exercise now. Maybe if I lived in New York and I got to go up five flights of stairs or something but taking the groceries from our driveway to our kitchen, that isn’t exercise. I’m pretty lazy.

Brian might consider it exercise because he lifts so little. His bringing in the soda cracks me up every time.

He brings in one two liters at a time. He’s really close to pouring it into cups and bringing it in. I’m like, “What are you doing?” Speaking of time being valuable, his isn’t. I’ll tell you that. Peloton also put out some details about the Berlin half marathon.

There’s going to be a big celebration at the Berlin Half and it’s going to include the German instructors. Peloton has officially teamed up with them, as they did with the New York Road Runners. This partnership is very similar to the New York Road Runners.

I’m reading Winds of War right now, so German updates are very upsetting to me.

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I’m so sorry. I didn’t mean to trigger you.

I understand it’s not like that anymore.

That was the ‘80s that the book was written, not the World War. I know that’s not when the World War occurred.

“Crystal thinks World War II happened in 1980. She’s so dumb.”

Somebody will think that.

They will. They’re already tweeting it. Before you could even issue the instant clarification, putting an asterisk on that, they’ve already tweeted, “Listen to this dip****.”

Friday, May 4th there’s going to be a kickoff at the Berlin store. There’s going to be an expo stand with Erik Jäger that day as well. Later on, there are going to be tips and tricks with Jeffrey and somebody else that I don’t know. Who is Franziska Schoebel? I know who the instructors are, but I don’t know who Paulina Stopa and Franziska Schoebel are. I wonder if they are runners.

Maybe famous runners in Germany. I don’t know.

On Saturday, the expo stand will be up starting at 10:00 AM and there’s going to be a warmup with Erik. There’s going to be a warmup and shakeout run with Jeffrey and Irene, mindset and motivation that afternoon with Erik and André Schürrle. Also, later that afternoon, there is going to be training with Tobias and Eugen Fink. I don’t know who that is either. Also, on Sunday, there’s going to be a DJ at Peloton Community and Entertainment. It’s like a cheering zone. That will be during the actual half marathon at 9:30 in the morning. Lots going on. That’ll be so much fun. I wish we could zip over to Berlin and enjoy.

Coming up after this, we’re going to talk to Dr. Jenn. She has tips for maintaining your energy. Stick around.

Joining us once again is Dr. Jenn Mann, a licensed Marriage, Family, and Child Therapist, and Sports Psychology Consultant. She also has a wonderful app called No More Diets that you might want to check out. It’s Dr. Jenn.

I was going to I was going to ask a different question but since Tom brought up your app, I’m going to switch gears. This question comes from Jennifer Landsen. She is looking for motivation to get back into the swing of things. More importantly, she switched recently to a plant-based diet and she’s not having enough energy for workouts. She knows she needs to be eating more but it’s been difficult for her to find the right balance. I realize you’re not like, “I can give all the things.” but I know you are vegan and you have your certificate. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

I’m a certified and plant-based nutritionist. I’m also a therapist and I’ve been a vegan for fourteen years and I’ve been a vegetarian since I was ten years old. When you initially transition to being vegan, a lot of the time, it’s a bit of an adjustment. One of the things you want to do is find plant-based substitutes for the things you were eating before. The challenge is always processed foods, which is a whole other complicated story. Let’s say you’re used to eating chicken with dinner, there are a ton of plant-based options that are chicken substitutes. You also want to replace that chicken with other things like tofu and seitan and other kinds of less processed proteins. You want to make sure that you don’t go too far.

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Kendall posted about people and clean eating. She had posted a post about some recipe that had Velveeta cheese in it. That was getting a lot of shit from people like, “That’s not healthy.” An important part of being a healthy person is having that balance of foods that are fun, play foods that offer less nutrition, and foods that offer more nutrition. That’s important too.

If this person is finding that since switching to plant-based, they don’t have as much energy, they need to look at maybe 1 or 2 meetings with a dietitian who has a specialty in plant-based. You can get a lot of misinformation and wrong information. Believe it or not, some dieticians and nutritionists are not well-versed in this area because there’s so much misinformation out there even in the community. Meet with an expert to see where you are coming short. Are you not getting that protein? Are you not getting enough carbs? Are you not getting enough fat? A lot of the time, people think, “I can’t have any fats and we tend to make a lot of mistakes when we try to alter based on the trends or based on what other people are doing.

Look at whether you are getting a well-rounded nutritious base and whether it sounds like something is missing for you. It’s also important to take a look at your intake of vitamin D. Are you iron deficient and are you getting enough B? Typically, most people recommend that you take B and D vitamins. You also may want to do one of the nutrition analyses where they take your blood and then tell you you’re short on vitamin D or C or whatever so that you can figure out what you need to do in your diet to make sure that you are more well-nourished and that you’re more well-balanced.

What I can tell you is that when you get it right, meaning for your body, my experience and the experience of the clients I worked with, and the friends I have who have switched over, you should have more energy than you’ve ever had before. I have a girlfriend whom I encouraged to take the plant-based nutrition class that I took. She’s taking it now and she’s made the switch. She’s like, “I get an hour less sleep. I can’t believe how much energy I have. I’m chasing after my two kids and I have all the energy to do it.” It’s amazing when you are eating in a holistic way that works for your body and is nutritious, how much energy it gives you.

That’s so true and the amount of volume that you can eat with vegetables is completely different than the amount of volume that you eat when you’re not eating a ton of vegetables.

It’s so good for you the fiber in fruits and vegetables. I highly recommend the book Fiber Fueled which talks all about the microbiome and why this is important. When it comes to longevity and reducing your risk of cancer, high blood pressure, heart disease, and diabetes which are the four biggest killers in this country, it makes such a huge difference.

Thank you so much for all that. Until next time, where can people find you?

People can find me on social media, especially Instagram @DrJennMann.

Thank you.

Callie Gullickson had her baby.

She did. She and her husband were blessed with Cash James Howell. He was eight pounds, nine ounces. He was born on March 30, 2024. Isn’t that sweet? Congrats to Callie and her family.

I’m not moved by babies.

I know, or cute animals. It’s kind of annoying.

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You’re always trying to show me cute animals and I’m like, “That’s a squirrel and a puppy.” What do you want me to do about it?”

It’s adorable.

I’m dead on the inside.

Little cowboy hat. Little yeehaw hand going. How can you not think that’s adorable? Congrats to Callie and Chris.

Mayla Wedekind has launched her book, which will have already happened by the time you read this. I also promise you we will never feature this book in the Book Club.

That’s true, but not because we don’t like Mayla.

No, she seems fine.

It’s in German only.

It’s in German and we can’t read it.

I would love to, though. I would love to include it.

I shouldn’t even say this out loud because some sleaze bag will probably do it, but they’re going to do it anyway. My guess is that, at some point, somebody will throw it through Google Translate and sell it on Amazon as a bootleg version. That’s my guess. Authors have been fighting that battle.

I told you about what happened to the lady who wrote Maid. It’s crazy.

Kendall Toole had a post on the ‘gram about a new TikTok trend, which is punching women in the face.

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Yes, supposedly, specifically, big men wandering around, punching women in the face. After Kendall posted about it, we also saw that there was a news article about it.

We checked it because I was like, “This sounds like BS.”

It sounds like a chain letter your mother would write is what you actually said.

It’s like if you flash your headlights at someone, the gang will kill you. I’m just like, “Will they, though?”

Remember the AIDS needles at gas stations?

Yeah, that they’re somehow affixing to door him. Now, this seems to be true, to be clear. When I first heard it, I was like, “We should probably double check this because this sounds unusual.” Sadly, it seems to be accurate.

That’s all I really feel comfortable saying because the comments that were on her wall got really gross. Let’s just say that.

People who are deathly afraid of crime seem to be deathly afraid of something else, but it is a horrible thing.

Kendall gave a bunch of tips on how to be safe, and so that’s important. Those tips, by the way, can be used anywhere. You should always be aware of your surroundings. You should always be careful with your headphones, not have them in, not pay attention, and only look at your phone.

If you want to see it, we wrote an article that you can check out. Mariana Fernandez is doing the first-ever 90-minute live run.

I am super excited about this. It is May 2nd, but it is at 6:30 PM Eastern on a Thursday. What are you all doing to me? Who wants to run 90 minutes at 6:30 PM on a Thursday?

We’ll be at a movie.

I want to support Mariana and I’m it’s fricking movie night. I’m not going to be able to do it.

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You don’t have to go to the movie with you. It’s okay.

We’ll see what the movie of the week is.

I’ll also use your AMC thing so nobody sits next to me.

Whatever works.

We have the AMC monthly path pass for both of us. Whenever she doesn’t go, I still book her ticket so no one sits next to me, at least on one side. I have a place to set my phone and popcorn bucket on.

This is really cool because this is going to be, like you said, the first live run from PSNY. People could book it and everything, get in and take it. It’s also exciting because we’re seeing more and more of these longer-form classes. I’m very excited about that.

It is good that they’re starting to bring those back. I know that there are probably not as many of them as people would like, but it’s nice to see that they’re making a return. Camila Ramon had a fun Instagram post.

She Did. I don’t know how many times she’s doing this. I’m unclear. Maybe it’s not even planned. I don’t know. She has a series that she’s calling Camila On The Street. She goes into a neighborhood and I believe this one took place in Brooklyn. She takes this giant wheel of prizes. She randomly talks to people on the street and then they spin the wheel to try to win. One of the things that you could win was a trip to the studio. Camila took this woman, dropped everything, and went to a class at the studio. However, before the class, Camila took her into the store and she picked out an outfit and then Camilla got the matching one to wear.

They’re taking the class in matching outfit. Camilla’s not taking the class.

She’s teaching it. What a dream. What an incredibly nice, unexpected thing to do. It’s cool. Our very own, I call her ours because she’s our friend, Christina Sandefur, who was there when it happened. She saw it.

She’s probably like, “What is happening?”

I thought that was cool. That was neat to be able to experience. I got to hear all the details about it from Christina and, and I thought, “That is just really neat. You never hear about instructors doing this specific thing. This is completely new. Unprecedented. I love it.”

Stick around. Coming up after this, we’re going to tell you about the latest artist series. We’re going to give you your next Bingo call and we’ll talk about the tcos top five.

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The latest artist series features Jose Gonzalez.

He’s a Swedish artist. This is a German artist series. He’s from Switzerland. Swedish. That’s not the same thing, is it?

No, Swedish would be Sweden. Switzerland would be Swiss.

Let’s see if I can mess this up anymore. I just thought that was interesting. It sounded like this was going to be like a Spanish class.

Spanish or Mexican.

That’s what you get for basing things off of words.

That’s a very Spanish name. Clearly his heritage is Spanish or somewhere along the line.

He was born in Sweden to Argentine parents. This is also interesting because, typically, when we have these artist series, there are multiple classes. This is one specific class. It’s a 30-minute yoga flow with Nico. It’s very different.

I guess I should have said his heritage is Hispanic, not Spanish.

We have an update from Eric Tostrud, who was a guest many, many years ago. We still keep in touch because of his charity event, Peloton4Parkinsons.

We do. It is coming up on April 27th, 2024. If you haven’t had a chance to sign up for that, you just hop on over there and do it now. Make sure you can get involved.

You can do this one in real life or virtual. They added the virtual component during COVID because that’s all they could do. They kept it alive. Now, they do both.

I think it’s like their ninth year or something. It’s been a while. Very cool. He’s raised a lot of money, too. It’s a very worthy cause.

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Before we dig into the TCO top five, let us do Bingo Call Out number two.

Hannah Frankson.

Now, the TCO top five. Every week, we ask you what the best classes of the week are, and then if we agree with you, we put them in a list, and we yell them back at people. The first one, in no particular order, is the number one favorite, Peloton Strength.

This class was taught by Rebecca Kennedy back on December 4th of 2023. It’s a ten-minute arms and shoulder strength. Tracy said that this was only ten minutes, but it was a tricep burner. Her triceps are rarely sore and they hurt for 2 to 3 days after. Seven of the ten minutes are spent on tris.

Number two favorite, Peloton Row Bootcamp.

March 26th, 2024, there was a 30-minute Pop Punk Bootcamp with Katie Wang. Sonia Norman loved it. She said, “Katie’s 30-minute Pop Punk Bootcamp from 3/26 was the first workout after her time off. You could tell she was so happy to be back. The workout was great and the playlist was perfect.”

Sum 41 on that playlist. Come on over to the Patreon episode and I’ll tell you a funny story about Sum 41 being crap bags. Item number three, favorite Peloton ride.

This was from Dennis Morton on March 30th. It was a 45-minute classic rock ride. Douglas loved this. He said, “It was one of the most eclectic sets. King Crimson and Dennis were fired up more than usual, though.” That’s hard to believe. By the way, Douglas, thank you for emailing me since, apparently social media is not your thing. I appreciate you still finding a way to get this in.

I just like prog rock on the Peloton. It seems odd.

Is that prog rock?

Yeah, that’s prog rock.

I have never heard of King Crimson.

That’s because it’s prog rock.

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Is it prog rock? We went to watch a show once. We were at a casino. We watched it in a casino.

Alan Parsons Project.

That’s it.

Alan Parson definitely has prog rock songs, but most of his big songs, I would not consider prog rock. He still had hit singles, but Alan Parson definitely has a foot in the prog rock world.

Some of the songs he played that night were prog rock, though. There was some stuff I was like, “Huh?” That was the prog rock.

He’d play a song that you’ve heard.

I was like, “I recognize this thing.”

It’s because a lot of his stuff also ends up getting classified as soft rock or yacht rock.

That makes sense, too.

He also wrote that famous intro that you hear when the Chicago Bulls take the court. That’s like the intro to a song that didn’t sound anything like that.

I remember he played that song that night.

It starts with that and then you’re just like, “Oh,” and it just goes into this totally a different song. I forgot what song it was, but it’s a big hit. King Crimson is prog rock. It’s like a prog rock band’s prog rock. Item number four, favorite Peloton run.

This was March 30th, 2024, a 75-minute pop run with Becs Gentry. Canada Cath celebrated this class. She said, “Essentially, it’s an interval run. The time absolutely flew by with both Bec’s signature coaching and storytelling and an absolutely lit leaderboard. There were over 1,000 people.” I took this on Saturday while I was outside and it was really good. It was very fun. Becs just does an amazing job of telling stories while you’re running. You forget you’re running. That’s the best, in my opinion.

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Finally, item number five, your favorite Unstackable.

I know 75 minutes seems like that would be, but she kept it at a very easy and manageable pace. Instead, we’re going to go with a 45-minute Power Zone Max ride with Matt Wilpers, also on March 30th. This one came from Mindy Jensen. She said, “It was tough but doable. He provides just enough recovery to hit the next block hard.” Forty-five minutes later and with lots of sweat, she was done. Love it.

Now let’s take a look at this week in Peloton. There are all sorts of stuff every week at Peloton. This is what they want you to know about.

This is how they wrap it all up. We have to talk about Metrics Classes because people see the word metrics and like, “This is like the Metrics Classes we used to have.” No, it’s not.

No, all your classes are now in kilometers.

No, it’s not that either. Metrics Classes would still be the same as Peloton classes, but they would be based on your speed. It was all about the numbers. This still is, but now there’s no chit-chat, no shout-outs, and instructors only jump in to give you insight into the class plan, and cue is needed. Otherwise, all music. That’s it.

The people who are like, “I wish instructors would shut up.”

Metric Classes are for you. These people who are saying Metrics Classes are back are wrong. They are not back. This is new. I also have to give a special shout-out to Benny Adami because he messaged me about this, and he is the first German instructor to be teaching these classes. He wants everybody to know how we like them. This would also be a great opportunity if you haven’t had a chance to take a lot of the classes in other languages. There’s not a lot to say so these would be good ones. You still get a little bit of their persona.

You get a little sample. A little Whitman sampler, but you don’t get the one with the gross nougat in it. We also have Deep House Yoga Flow.

Yes. Anna Greenberg is teaching a 30-minute class. This one comes up on April 6th, 2024. We expect that the playlist will be lit. Evening Stretches with Mady. They’re fan favorites. They were going to have a new one, a new ten-minute evening stretch dropped on demand on April 5th at 4:00 PM Eastern.

Finally, Standing Core.

Everybody loves the Standing Core. There’s a new one coming from Rebecca Kennedy on Thursday, the fourth at 10:00 AM Eastern.

Adrian is launching Tag Team Row Bootcamp.

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It’s going to be a lot of fun. The first one was actually with Tunde. They were already cracking jokes at 6:00 AM because Tunde does not do early morning classes. The gist is that an instructor shows up and does the tag team portion of it. He will do the rowing, they do the strength training. That’s the idea. Tag teaming. They did some of these a while back. I think Katie had done these, but Adrian is going to have four special guest instructors. It’s going to be Tunde, Matt, Emma and then it’s going to be Andy. Those are going to be taking place once a week throughout the month of April. I can’t wait to hear what everybody thinks about these. I think they will be a lot of fun.

Cliff Dwenger is set to debut Glorious Gospel.

Yes. He is going to be teaching a Glorious Gospel class. I’m not confident if this will be continuingly ongoing or if this was a special one-off. I know some people who would be perfectly timed for Easter. I’m not sure if this is a one-off. He does a lot of gospel classes. I’m not sure how this is going to be different or not.

If you just need more Jesus in your life, Kendall Toole’s got your back.

Yeah, she had an Easter ride that people were very excited about, and then she followed up on the Easter ride that same day with a low-impact ride. It aired on March 31st, 2024 and it was all gospel music. If that’s your thing, then you’ve got lots going on here between Kendall and all the other classes with Cliff.

Also, Peloton celebrated Trans Day of Visibility on March 31st, 2024.

They did and four new classes dropped. That day, they were all dropped on demand. Mady had one and Jeffrey mceachern had one. I started to take the outdoor but it was only 20 minutes and I needed a 30-minute class, but it was with Jermaine Johnson. There were four different classes, like I said, and all of those can be found in the Pride Collection, right along the top under 2024.

That makes total sense.

Yes, it does.

Peloton Apparel teased a new Lululemon release.

Yes. Kimberly was like, “An actual lemon from Lululemon.” It’s like lemon yellow. It is very yellow. I don’t know if that will be the only color that will be dropping because we haven’t seen it yet or if we can expect that it’s just going to be bright spring colors in general that we can expect. I don’t know. My guess is you will know before I do because it will probably come out before the episode.

We have not 1, not 2, but 3 birthdays this week.

Let’s get to them.

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Birthday number one, Jermaine Johnson on April 5th. On April 6th, you have Ally Love. On April 7th, it’s Jennifer Jacobs.

Happy birthday to all.

Happy birthday. Enjoy your free pot sticker at TGI Fridays on The Clip Out. Coming up after this, we’re going to talk to our guest, so stick around.

Joining us is Samantha Farrell. How’s it going?

Good. How are you guys?

We’re good. We’re so glad to have you here. I always like to start with this. How did you originally find Peloton? Where was it in the timeline?

It’s a funny story. I feel like everybody probably says the same thing, but pandemic-wise, we can’t go to the gym. I tried to find a different solution at home. On Black Friday of 2020, a couple of my friends and I ordered the Peloton with the Black Friday deal.

When you see a couple of friends, do you guys live together or do you each have one? I need more details.

They are long-time friends. We all went into it like, “Let’s each get a Peloton. We’ll ride together.” I think I’m the only one who is still riding.

Were you a person who worked out all the time before the pandemic and before Peloton or have you had dips and peaks when it comes to working out?

I was always active growing up, playing soccer, basketball, and track, and then I took a break after college. I took a time out for a little bit and then I got into Beachbody. In 2014 or 2015, I jump-started back in and then I started boxing. I joined a boxing gym and I liked that. I joined a kickball league for the last seven years. That’s something fun to do once a week, get together and have some beers and play kickball.

I’m curious about the boxing gym. Was that intimidating? I think of that as a very male space. Am I wrong?

It can be because I went to one that was called Upper Cut. That’s no longer around here. That was a straight boxing gym where they would do sparring and everything. I never got to that level because I didn’t want to punch other people. I thought it was fun to kick and punch a bag.

You probably wanted to punch other people. It’s just you didn’t want them to punch back.

I don’t think they get back up if they took a punch for me, honestly.

She’s like, “Ask a question like that again” I was projecting. That’s how I feel. There are lots of people I’d like to hit, but then if they hit back, what would I do?

I never wanted to be at that level. I like the workout. It’s full body and very core-centric and everything. It’s a great workout and that’s why I got into it. It was something different because you trying to get tired of being in the same routine constantly sometimes, and then also going to a gym, you don’t have somebody most of the time to guide you and tell you what to do. Doing something different like that, I liked to mix it up in that sense.

It makes a lot of sense. I have a fight camp at home and I feel like using that makes you feel like a badass every time I do. I’m not great at taking the classes on Peloton where they’re shadowboxing, which I know is good for you but I’ve been spoiled by having the bag. I still have to hit the bag because I can’t just hit the air. I’m used to hitting the bag.

Put on your phone the app for shadowboxing next to your bag and then you’ll be set.

You can make it work for sure.

I did something once on Tonal where they wanted me to shadowbox. I did something on Tonal once. It was almost as bad as the time I got tricked into dance cardio. It was bad.

I tried it once and I don’t have the moves either. That’s what I learned. You think you’re doing it and then you can see it played back. It’s terrible. It’s awful. Once you got Peloton what has your evolution with the different kinds of classes been?

I feel like a lot of people might say this too. When I got it, I thought I was not going to get obsessed or anything. I got it for something to do at home during the pandemic, and I totally fell in. I think a lot of people say the same thing because I looked at people who are obsessed with a workout program. Here I am, I got obsessed, buying apparel, going to the studio, doing it as much as I can, and doing as many meet and greets here in Minnesota as I can. I take all the classes. I have the bike and the row. The row is fun to mix in a couple of days a week, but it’s also a lot of work. I love the lifting classes. I do a lot of strength classes on there as well. I keep it pretty well-rounded. I don’t like to run personally but sometimes I will.

The nice thing is you can always still walk while you take a run class or you could take a walking class. The hiking classes are amazing as well. Lots of options.

I like their outdoor programs. I think they’re great. I remember when Tunde did that podcast for a while. I did a triathlon sprint so that was like a little sprint and I had her podcast in my ears throughout the entire bike ride and run that I had to do for it.

What about what about yoga or meditation? Do you do anything like that?

I should do more of that. I’ve done a handful of the yoga stuff. It’s more than that I guess, but it’s nice to mix yoga and stretching. I’m not the best stretcher. I should take more time and stretch more because I’m not very good at it. Yoga is nice to mix in every now and then to get that aspect. I feel like if I’m a little anxious at bedtime, the sleep meditations are great.

Yes, they are. I don’t know about you, but Ross’s voice is wonderful at putting me to sleep.

I listened to Cody once on there.

He’s very funny, but he doesn’t come across as soulful. I’ve never tried it, which is terrible. I should try it before I knock it.

It’s a different vibe for Cody. I did not expect it.

He’s such a performer. He’s got a shtick. Did he drop it for the meditations?

Yeah. Usually, he is loud and vocal. He’s like, “Hi, I’m Cody Rigsby.” He’s very different. Try it out next time.

I might have to give it a shot. You mentioned going to the studio earlier. When was your first journey and how did it go?

My first journey was in February last year. A few months before that, I was getting close to my 1,000th ride. I asked my husband if we could go to New York for my 1000th ride. It would be fun and we love New York. He said, “Let’s do it.” I had to book the classes first because you have to get that settled, and then we planned the trip around the classes. I was able to get into three classes that weekend we went and did my 1,000th ride, and the studio live with Emma. It was great and the studio surpassed any expectations I had.

It’s such a fun experience and everybody is so positive. It’s nice, and all the members there are so nice. I’ve made so many friends. I had friends from Instagram too that live in New York and New Jersey that go a lot. I got to do classes with them and meet them in real life. We went back in December, and my husband is a big Kiss fan. We went to see Kiss’s final shows in New York.

Did you get to go to the actual final one?


That’s cool.

He went to both. I went to the final one with him. Two nights we’re there. What else are you going to do? Walk around New York by myself, which was fine.

I’d probably choose to do that too. If I had two nights, I would go to one show because that’s iconic. How can you not? If you only have two nights in New York, I’m going to take the other night and walk around. I would have made the same choice.

For sure, especially I guess the set lists are probably pretty similar. It’s not like you’re seeing a radically different show.

I’ve seen them four times now. It’s been the same show every time. When we went to New York for that weekend, it was insane because Kiss invaded New York. Taxi cabs are Kiss painted and all the Metro passes have Kiss on them. You find all these little pop-ups with Kiss stuff happening.

That was cool. If you’re going to go out, go out with a bang. That’s amazing. I thought that was so smart.

I then got into the Kiss Peloton ride with Denis. I feel like I had to.

You might as well finish off the theme.

The week we were leaving, I got an email asking if I wanted to register to get my face painted at a priority seating for the class. My husband said, “You have to do it.” I don’t want my face painted but I sure did it. I was on the second bike with a big star on my face.

That is awesome. You have to send us that picture. Does your husband do Peloton? Did he do the Kiss ride?

You went to a Kiss concert and he didn’t go to a Peloton class?

It’s not his thing. I’ve tried. We have a bike and a row. You have options.

You went back in December. It sounds like that was an amazing experience. Out of all the different classes you went to, which was your favorite?

I would say the class that brought me the most energy and fun was Camila’s reggaeton 60-minute ride. It was her first time doing a 60-minute ride. It was 7:00 AM on a Friday and it was my 999th ride. The same day I was doing the 1000th, we’ve got in on the first. I’ve never heard so many people so energetic. I remember there were even complications with getting the recordings cleaned out and ready to go. I don’t think the ride went live on the Peloton app for a day or two because it was so chaotic in there.

I’m still mystified that your husband wouldn’t take the Kiss ride. I would think that would be the little cherry on top of your Kiss journey.

He has taken 20 rides, maybe 25. We’ve had it for three and a half years now. I think he’s doing it out of spite at this point.

I know. That’s why Tom is doing it. They do have a lot in common. That’s amazing. Are you hoping to go back soon?

I’ll be back in July. I’m hoping I can make Peloton work. We’re going to go see Billy Joel’s final show in Madison Square Garden.

I want to do that one so badly.

I love Billy Joel. I think Billy Joel is an icon.

Have you seen him live before? You just want to see the last show, which I don’t blame you. He’s amazing.

We’re doing a little family trip. My father-in-law and brother-in-law have never been out there. We all love Billy Joel and we came across it like, “We should do it.” We booked it and we’re going to do a Yankees game which I haven’t done yet either. I try to fit Peloton into this schedule at some point in time, which will happen. I guarantee it.

Good luck. That sounds like an early morning for you. Whatever day that works.

I have a question for you that you might not know the answer to but since you’re following the Billy Joel thing, I’m going to ask you because I haven’t been able to go down this rabbit hole yet. I know that this is his last show for his Madison Square Garden residency. Is he saying that he will never play ever again? In two years, will he pop up a new show there, or is he saying, “I’m done and this place can go to hell?”

He’s got to be like 78 or 74.

I thought he was 75.

I wouldn’t put it past any artists to go back out. There’s got to be a point where you have to say you’re coming to an end, but that doesn’t mean you can’t come back if the money is right.

He’s not positioning it as a farewell tour. He’s been doing this residency for a long time and he was like, “I’m done. That’s enough. I’m not doing it anymore.” I know he liked it because, for a while, I think he was taking a boat across from his house. It was a 20-minute boat ride and he could hop off and do a show.

To do that would be amazing. I want to live next to York. Every time we’re there, I love it, and then I think about the logistics of what it would take to make it happen. I’m like, “I guess we’re going to continue living in the Midwest.” We have too much room here. It’s impossible to think about moving that far and the expense of it. It’s a lot.

We can come back and see the same thing. We could do this and then we get home like, “I couldn’t do this.”

You calculate what a house is worth there and what a house is worth in New York, it’s like, “Thank you. We’ll just fly in occasionally.”

Have the best of both worlds.

Do you have a preferred instructor?

I do. I like them all. Everybody gives you the moods you want but no matter what I will always do a Bradley Rose ride first. If there’s a new Bradley Rose, I’m hopping on it. I love his energy. He’s so funny. It’s always a good time. Bradley Rose would be my favorite.

I like the fact that you have a favorite. Many people are like, “I like this one and this one. I don’t want to pick.” You’re like, “It’s Bradley Rose. The rest of them suck.”

For strength, I love Rebecca Kennedy.

Don’t ruin it.

I like Ash. Ash is my favorite on the row. I could do a live row class with her and she’s so fun.

Her energy is so high. I haven’t taken a class with her in person, but she comes across with so much energy through the screen. I’m sure it’s sky-high in person.

She hypes up the entire class like she’s talking to us. I keep meaning to retake mine, but it’s a 30-minute row. I’m also like, “I don’t want to do it 30-minute row.” She talks to you the entire time. She’s calling you out the whole time. It’s such a fun energetic class.

Do you have any advice for people just now entering the world of Peloton?

Don’t be afraid to try things. I think people get intimidated when they see Tabata or hills or climbs. Don’t be intimidated by the type of classes because no matter what, there’s going to be something in your range for you to be able to obtain and manage throughout that ride. It gives you a good experience to try other styles of rides out. Also, make sure you stretch a lot.

That means you’re going to do more yoga. That’s what I heard.

I got to stretch those hips out a little bit more.

Also, paint your face like Ace Frehley, in every class.

What’s your leaderboard name?

It’s MMHopSkull like Minnesota Hop Skull. I love beer.

Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to join us. We appreciate it. Before we let you go, let everybody know where they can find you on social media if you would like to be found.

I’m also on Instagram @MMHopSkull and then my leaderboard name is MMHopSkull. That’s it.

That’s awesome.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, guys. This is fun. I appreciate it.

It was a lot of fun.

I guess that brings this episode to a close. until next time. Where can people find you?

People can find me on Facebook at Facebook.com/crystaldokeefe. They can find me on all the rest of the socials and the Peloton leaderboard @ClipOutCrystal.

You can find me on Twitter @RogerQbert or on Facebook at Facebook.com/tomOKeefe. You can find the show online at Facebook.com/theclipout while you’re there, like the page, join the group and don’t forget our Patreon at Patreon.com/theclipout where for $5 a month, you get all sorts of bonus content. You get ad-free episodes and we like you a little extra. That’s it for this one. Thanks for tuning in and until next time, keep peddling and running and rowing.


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