TCO 305 | Autism Awareness Month

305. Scenic Row Classes (Sorta) On The App Plus Our Interview With Tricia Callahan

TCO 305 | Autism Awareness Month


  • Instructors are converging in NYC for the 2nd Annual Instructor Summit.
  • Scenic Row classes on the app.
  • Peloton releases ‘In The Row.’ A new series that offers a Row tutorial.
  • Self Magazine reviewed the Row.
  • Men’s Health took Peloton’s Monthly Running Challenge.
  • Tom’s Guide discusses the merits of adding a second monitor to your Peloton.
  • Morgan Stanley highlights weak web traffic for Peloton.
  • Dr. Jenn –  What to do when you don’t have enough energy to exercise.
  • The Instructor Summit means lots of IG posts of instructors hanging out:
  • Kirsten Ferguson at a Rangers game.
  • Cliff Dwenger checking out the Brooklyn Bridge.
  • Marcel Maurer getting excited about a shoutout from Olivia Amato.
  • People Magazine interviewed Jess Sims.
  • Matty Maggiacomo talked to The Vibe about mental health.
  • Tunde spoke with Shape about her favorite skincare products.
  • Tunde spoke at Path University’s Women’s Leadership Conference.
  • Rebecca Kennedy talked to Well & Good about standing core workouts.
  • Alex Toussaint is doing an in-store appearance at Puma NYC to celebrate his new collection.
  • Oars And Alps is giving away a one-on-one coaching session with Matt Wilpers.
  • Aditi Shah talks to Yoga Journal.
  • Robin Arzon attended ETHDenver.
  • Hannah Corbin got a new puppy.
  • Why is Angelo making Tom do “Lamaze”?
  • The latest Broadway Series features & Juliet.
  • Tonal has a new CEO.
  • Sports Illustrated put Peloton and Tonal in head-to-head combat.
  • The Clip Out (courtesy of Tina Fryling) reviews Peloton’s new Instructor Match Quiz.
  • We also talked about the best classes for your glutes (courtesy of Nikki Smith).

All this plus our interview with Tricia Callahan

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Scenic Row Classes (Sorta) On The App Plus Our Interview With Tricia Callahan

Sorry, I’m still mad at my computer.

I know. I thought you might need a minute.

I’m still yelling at my computer in my head. I turned the sound off and then it immediately turned the sound back on. It irritates me. I don’t understand. You saw me turn the sound. It happened. It’s not in my head. It completely ignored what I told it to, like one of the children.

Zoom is a teenager.

What do you want to talk about?

I thought it would be a good time to remind everyone that we are going to be in the San Jose, California area on April 28th in preparation for the Big Sur Marathon.

In your preparation for it. I’m just a moral supporter.

That’s fine. We’re going to be out there on April 28th. It’s going to take place in downtown San Jose at The Brit. It’s going to be from 4:00 PM Pacific to 7:00 PM Pacific.

Until they run out of chicken tenders.

We still have to drive an hour and a half after that.

You might have to drive in preparation for chicken tenders.

I am aware.

You know how I get. I get saucy. I don’t need the sauce. I am the sauce.

I also want to thank Tim for setting all that up. We really appreciate him for doing that. While we’re on the subject, we are thinking about having a meetup in Orlando sometime in June.

I think we’re thinking June 9th. That’s a Friday.

We’re looking for somebody to maybe set something up real close.

Just to know the area. You don’t have to do a lot of work. Just help us pick a place that’s decent.

There are some suggestions out there in The Clip Out group. Just so you know, that’s coming up as well. We wanted to give everyone that is a Patreon member an update. We have been talking about a free gift that we are going to be sending out.

I just got back from the post office.

That might be another reason he’s a little crabby.

If there’s a shooting there, it’s because of me. They weren’t happy.

It turns out the post office doesn’t want to type every single address individually.

One guy was like, “You’re not going to come back here again, are you?” He literally asked me that. I’m like, “It’s your job to mail things. I’m just doing the thing that you do.”

We have a lot of support, and so a lot of people turned in their addresses by the deadline which was April 2nd.

There was no line when I showed up. It looked like Black Friday when I left, not just in terms of the line but also the anger.

I wouldn’t have been happy if I walked in after you. That’s for sure. Lots of updates are going on.

The Patreon for this episode, we will do another deep dive into the timeline. We’re covering 2018.

We might have done that last week.

No, last week was 2017 because it’s the year that The Clip Out starts.

You’re right. What I’m remembering is that we recorded 2018 last week.

Don’t give away the magic.

The brain has been a little gappy today.

That will be coming out on Friday if we remember to put it out.

It’s Wednesday so it’s a jump ball at this point.

Other than that, what pray tell do you have in store for people?

We’re going to talk all about the instructor shenanigans happening. We have lots of things to cover with that. There has been a lot of coverage coming up from this week in a lot of different outlets, like SELF Magazine and things like that. There was a lot. We’re also going to talk about the stock market. Everyone is freaking out again. We got a visit from Dr. Jenn and we’re going to talk about what to do when you don’t have enough energy to exercise. We also had a visit from Angelo. We’re going to talk about why Tom is doing Lamaze moves. We’re also going to talk about some updates on what’s going on with Tonal. We haven’t talked about that in a little while. A lot is happening.

There had been some big changes there. I’m sure some people would like to hear our thoughts. We will give it to them because you can’t shut us up. Before we get to all that, shameless plugs. Don’t forget, we’re available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts. Wherever you find a podcast, you can find us. While you’re there, be sure and follow us so you never miss an episode. Maybe leave us a review. That’s super helpful. We greatly appreciate it. Thanks to everybody who shares us on their timeline, Facebook feed, Instagram, or whatever. It’s the easiest and simplest thing you can do to help us. We greatly appreciate it when you do.

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We shall.

All of the Peloton instructors are converging in New York.

They sure are. I love this so much. I love seeing all the instructors together. We’ll have more on this later. This is a thing to watch out for or make sure that you know why. The studios were closed because they had other things to do.

There were too many instructors there and people’s heads would explode if you walk in.

Can you imagine if you walk in and 52 or 53 instructors were there? Your head would explode. It would be so exciting. It would be so great.

It would be like HRI back in 2018.

I missed those days.

There were only twelve instructors at the time. It changed very much so. The scenic road classes are available on the app. Let’s talk about that because I know it was kind of, but not really. I don’t know if that has changed yet because I don’t do the things.

I checked and the answer is no. Karen Smith submitted this. Thank you very much. She used our Submit A Tip. You can go to You can also go to the website and click on the big button that says Submit A Tip and do it there.

I wanted to make the button that says, “Just The Tip,” but cooler heads prevailed, but I think we all know that I was right.

It would probably be clicked on more. When she was looking around, we had just gotten the search function on the app. Karen was searching around and she typed in row. Lo and behold, a bunch of classes loaded. Over 60 of them. The interesting thing is that we’ve seen classes show up on the app before, but they’re usually taken down within a few hours. They haven’t been scenic. It’s been like a warm-up row. Everybody will go, “There’s a warm-up row this morning.” Everyone will try to take it before it gets taken down, then it goes poof.

The other interesting thing about this is that all of these classes are up but right now, you can’t play them. If you try to play them, it’s grayed out so you can’t. My thought process is that we will be seeing these plays very soon. They’re not just quite ready for that. I think their intention is for them to be there or they would have been taken down right now because all the other classes had.

It would seem like that as long as they’ve been up. It’s been almost a week at this point.

That is pretty exciting. I think that we’re going to be able to have people test out scenic road classes that have other equipment or other rowers. This is a big deal. I’m curious to see what else will happen.

The only thing more exciting than the fact that people will finally be able to take row classes on the app is that people can finally stop asking, “When will row classes be available in the app?”

You have way too much faith in people. What they’re going to do is they’re going to be like, “Not the scenic class.”

“Not that row class. It’s this other row class.”

“I am the one with the instructors.” That’ll be the next thing. You just wait.

Buy a Row. Isn’t that what they’re doing there?

I already have one I shouldn’t have to buy another one.

Speaking of Peloton Row, they released a series called In The Row.

I love that all three of them said it at the same time like, “Welcome to In The Row.”

You know they had to practice that. They were like, “Do we go on three or is it 1,2,3, go or 1, 2, go?” It’s basically a tutorial on how to utilize and set up your Row.

It’s commonly asked questions or things that they probably keep hearing or seeing on social media over and over again.

“Do I need to put it in water? Do I have to sing that song?” A lot of people don’t know this. All the music on Peloton Row is Row, Row, Row Your Boat. There’s a country version, a rock version, and then DJ Michael did a remix.

I think you’re thinking of Hydrow’s new music.

Shot’s fired. That’s going to leave a mark.

I’m just kidding. Nothing against Hydrow.

They can’t afford songs in the public domain.

We are just kidding. It’s things like how to pace and stuff like that. There’s a lot of information that when you’re getting started with rowing you may not know about. This is going to be a great series. I love all the rowing instructors, and they’re hilarious.

Are we sure? It’s how to grip, how to pace, and how to increase force. I mean only if that’s their jam, just to be clear. That works on both levels.

What’s the other level, Tom?

Interestingly enough, even though one of them is rowing, it’s the other one that needs to paddle.


Michelle K wrote an article for SELF. We are on a rowing binge and she wrote a review of the rower. She’s a big fan.

She calls herself a Peloton superfan.

That’s fair. She was on a big Peloton podcast.

She uses the heck out of her Peloton, and she uses all of the different types and modalities within Peloton. I do think that is fair. She confirms that the new rower is as good as the bike. I concur, Michelle K.

I shall trust Clip Out Crystal.

It’s good to see her writing articles.

I should put an asterisk on the whole “I trust Clip Out Crystal.”

You don’t trust me?

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Except when eating kettle corn.

Are you really going to bring that up?

I am going to bring that up.

I feel so attacked right now.

I feel attacked.

We’re not eating kettle corn.

I get all the lamest pieces of kettle corn. You get the kettle. I get the corn.

You don’t pay any attention. It is not my fault.

We get it and then we get in the car, and then I’m driving.

You’re not always eating in the car.

You’re going through with some sort of special magnifying device, selecting the pieces that are in the 98th percentile for kettleness. Meanwhile, I’m like, “Is this just popcorn? It did say kernel. Did somebody already chew this one? I think you suck the kettleness off of this and spit it back in the bag.” That’s what happens when we get kettle corn.

I think you just don’t know how to pick good popcorn, and you get upset with me whenever it doesn’t taste as good. It’s not my fault.

I don’t get a chance to pick the good kettle corn.

Buy your own bag.

I did and then I get in the car to drive and I look over, and it’s just the remnants of kettle corn. It’s like the ashes of kettle corn.

You poor baby.

It’s like the battlefield in the last ten minutes of the Lord of the Rings. You eat all the hobbits and I got a bunch of dead Orcs.

This is so not true. He brings it up every year.

We don’t normally get a Christmas tree. One year, I’ll have good kettle corn.

I won’t be there?

I don’t know. Maybe I’ll just buy two bags. One for myself. Speaking of Lord of the Rings, you’d be like, “Precious.”

Don’t you want to share everything with me?

Share is the keyword there.

I do share.

I do want to share. This is like when you’re a little kid and they’re like, “You can have the penny instead of the dime because the penny is bigger.”

That’s not at all how that goes.

Remember, when the show was about Peloton?

You’re the one that took the crazy left turn that went down.

We have another review. It is interesting to see stuff like this start coming out. It’s not a review of a piece of equipment but a piece of content. This is from Men’s Health, I Took On Peloton’s Monthly Running Challenge And It Elevated My Endurance.

This was written by Cayle Reid.

It doesn’t sound like a boy’s name but we’re not allowed to say that out loud. I had just been canceled, but it’s spelled interestingly like it’s Irish or something.

He described himself as an undedicated runner for his entire life. He’s been running, but he does it whenever. When he did the monthly running challenge, he started to run more often and in that month, he ran 70 kilometers. I don’t know how many miles that is. He says that it forever changes the way that he runs in the process. It totally changed his attitude about running. Running more consistently has encouraged him to run more because he feels better. His running has improved and he saw that improvement by running more.

Ironically the challenge made it less of a challenge and get comfortable with the idea.

He said that it elevated his endurance. I thought that was cool, and it makes sense. The more you do anything, the better. You can take that to extremes but if you go from doing something not on a regular basis, and you start doing it on a regular basis, it is pretty cool to see the miles get better and the speed gets better. It’s neat to see those improvements.

For example, when we first started going out, it would be like 4 or 5 pieces of kettle corn. Now, it’s like 50 or 60 pieces. Over time, your endurance has improved. That’s a very real-world example of something like that. You took Peloton’s monthly kettle corn challenge.

I did and I crushed it.

You are killing it.

I am. Kettle corn winner right here.

The website Tom’s Guide has an article about they added a second monitor to their Peloton bike and it’s a game changer.

What was your take on this?

It is the same take I have in terms of why Peloton won’t let you jailbreak the monitor. Why are you paying all this money for a Peloton subscription if you’re just going to watch Netflix or YouTube? Get another bike and watch Netflix or YouTube. I even understand why someone might not feel the need for instructors. They’ve done it a long time or that’s not their jam. They don’t like people yammering at them or whatever. I get that. What did you get a Peloton for?

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I think that there are exceptions to that. I get where you’re coming from and I understand that, especially if you’re just getting into fitness. Maybe you’re not exactly sure. You need a lot of instruction. As you progress, maybe you’re doing things like the Power Zone challenge and you might be taking a 90-minute endurance class. There’s going to be about eight minutes at a time where you’re doing nothing different. You’re just the same speed and same cadence. You keep doing that for eight minutes. Do you really need to hear the instructor every second of that eight minutes? No.

It’s more for uses like that. It’s for people who are building their endurance. I understand why they want to have the second piece. It’s not something I personally want to do. I like to be completely engaged in the class that I’m taking. Even when I’m doing long-distance training on the treadmill, and I might do 2 or 3 hours of running at a time, I’m doing classes the whole time. It’s too easy for me to give up on myself versus when I have somebody constantly talking to me, but some people are the exact opposite.

I get that, but then what do you get a Peloton for?

I think that there are different levels of people that need different levels of instruction.

It’s like going to The Mike Gallagher Show and being like, “I got watermelon all over me.”

They think they know the basics of what they need to do. They just need to know cadence and resistance, “All right. I’m good.”

Tom’s Guide is a big fan. There you go. Do with that what you will.

This came in from Mike Weber. It says, “Peloton stock plunges as Morgan Stanley highlights weak web traffic.” I still file this article even though I’m teasing Peloton about the stock price. It’s like, “What do you MF-ers want?” They’re like, “It is still higher than pre-COVID. It’s not like when the whole world was shutting their houses.” If it’s higher than it was going into COVID, then they’re going in the right direction. I don’t think it’s fair to compare it to the COVID time period. That was historically unprecedented.

I feel like this is a big bunch of nothing. There’s another aspect that needs to be looked at, Tom. They’re selling these on Amazon now. They’re selling these at Dick’s Sporting Goods. Don’t you think it’s fair to say that maybe some of that web traffic has gone elsewhere?

That’s fair. I didn’t dig in too deeply on this. By web traffic, do they mean people utilizing the platform or people going to

I took it as I don’t know if that’s what they meant.

That makes sense because I know that you’re streaming over the internet, which is what the kids call the web. I think of web traffic as a website, not as streaming content.

I took it as people looking for guidance on what does this Peloton product do? Another thing that you could also look at is they had a little bit more commercial marketing this year. Maybe people aren’t as curious about what products are out there. Maybe there are more people that are more educated, or finding out about Peloton from other places like this show. Maybe they don’t need to go to the Peloton website in the same way that they did before.

They don’t spend as much time there. They’re like, “I’m ready to go pull the trigger,” and they move on with their lives instead of hunting around on there forever.

They went over to Amazon and bought it, and they sent it to their house.

This is like what we think of as web traffic versus the platform because it talks about the holiday season. I wouldn’t think it’s the website that sees the increased activity during the holiday season because orders spike. It’s not the platform itself. If anything, it might even go down because it’s Christmas time and you’ve got other things to do. It’s a shame that this damaged the stock even temporarily because the article seems like a woeful misinterpretation of data.

Everybody is listening to it.

That’s because it’s Morgan Stanley and it’s like, “They can do no wrong.” We said the same thing about Goldman Sachs, and they put out a real sh*t burger, didn’t they?

There have been people that are all out there talking like they know about Peloton for years now, and they’ve been wrong a lot. Look at all the people that said that Peloton was never going to come back. Look at all the people that said Peloton was going to crash. Look at all the people that said Peloton was just a fad. It’s all these financial people. They’re wrong all the time, and yet people still listen to them. I don’t understand it. How many months did we see after you and I announced that the Tonal-like product is dead? We’re still seeing it everywhere.

We still see these websites saying that it exists, and then they are finally like, “Breaking news. This thing is dead.” “The thing we’ve been telling you for about eight months? That thing?”

It’s these financial ties that hang on to it and they won’t let it go. They get things wrong. They’re human like everybody else. I don’t know why their opinion gets more weight than the average person’s.

Because they are Morgan Stanley.

That’s what I got to say about that.

Coming up after this Dr. Jenn is going to talk to us about what to do when you don’t have enough energy to exercise.

Joining us once again is Dr. Jenn Mann, licensed marriage, family and child therapist, and sports psychology consultant. She was a five-year national team member in rhythmic gymnastics and sports psychology for USA Gymnastics. It’s Dr. Jenn.


Tina Fryling is looking for some advice. She feels like she doesn’t have enough energy to exercise, but she also recognizes that exercise gives her energy. She’s having trouble balancing those two. Do you have any advice for her?

First of all, rule out anything physical. Get a checkup with your doctor. Sometimes people, especially Peloton Type-A can be like, “I’m tired. I have to figure it out.” Go to your doctor. Get a blood test. Rule out anything physical that could be standing in your way. Secondly, you also want to look at your sleep. Are you getting enough sleep? Are you someone who tracks your sleep? What’s the quality of your sleep? Are you waking up throughout the night and not even remembering it? Are you having nightmares? Are you having trouble falling asleep? You want to check those boxes and make sure you’re practicing good sleep hygiene.

Once you’ve ruled out those two things, you also want to look at your nutrition. Are you fueling your body with things that will give you energy? Are you crashing and burning because you’re eating foods that are causing your blood sugar levels or your energy to drop right before your workout? Do a deep dive analysis on that. If all of that is okay and none of those are factors, then you want to look at, “Am I burning myself out? When was the last time I took a break from my exercise plan? Am I working out seven days a week and not letting myself have a rest day? Is the plan that I’m doing balanced? Am I making it up as I go along? Maybe my choices aren’t what my body needs.”

You may want to meet with someone like Crystal or someone else who has a background in sports medicine and putting together a regimen, a physical trainer, or someone like that so that you can look at what is the optimum workout for you, given who you are, your strengths, your weaknesses, where you need to improve, and the time that you have to devote to it, and figure out with the help of a professional the best exercise plan for me. That also takes into account the ebbs and flows of my day and the week in my life.

Make it specific and unique to you.

You have someone you check in with every six months or so to make sure if something needs to be tweaked or if you’re bored.

I can go a pretty long time doing the same workout over and over. As long as I get some good music and some good ‘80s rides, I’m good. I also know that my body can get a little complacent and then I can get a little bored. Sometimes, even a silly little switch like going from a 20-minute full-body workout to a 20-minute strength for runners, which seems benign, perks me up. I’m like, “This is different.” It gets me jazzed again and excited for that workout because it feels so different.

Thank you so much for all of that. Until next time, where can people find you?

On social media @DrJennMann. I post my workouts on my Insta Stories.

Thank you.

We talked earlier about all the instructors converging in New York City for Instructor Summit. Everybody’s Instagram feed has posts about hanging out with instructors. It’s like summer camp. They had Instagram when they went to summer camp.

They started off their Instructor Summit by going to a New York Rangers game. The whole instructor team made it to the Jumbotron.

That makes a lot of sense because it seems like the NHL was the first sport that we started seeing a lot of their athletes using Peloton.


I felt like that.

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I was thinking it was football.

There is certainly a lot of football now, but at first, it was the NHL players that were utilizing it. I think because it’s easier on their knees. They already did cycling and this was a natural fit. I don’t know. It seemed like when we first started seeing pro athletes on Peloton, it was NHL players that we started seeing in mass first for whatever reason. We’re not going to do all 53 instructors like a deck of cards with one Joker. That’s Cody.

I thought it was you.

I don’t think I count as an instructor.

DJ John Michael is the Joker.

He doesn’t count as an instructor either.

He’s at the summit though. Cliff Dwenger was there with Erik Jäger. They were sitting in front of the skyline. We started noticing that the Peloton German instructors were here. It was like, “That’s interesting.”

They went on the subway and get the full experience. They were mugged.

They were not mugged. That’s fake news.

They went to what I think is the Brooklyn Bridge. I don’t know. We’re from the Midwest so anytime we see a bridge in front of a skyline, it’s the Brooklyn Bridge in our head. If it’s not the one from the opening of Full House, or for our older listeners, too close for comfort, then it’s the Brooklyn Bridge.

I don’t think that we got any of these in there. I thought I put some of this stuff in here for Ash doing squats. Ash Pryor continued her squats.

I thought she got to squat some international instructor.

She did.

That is harder because it’s kilograms.

I believe it was Jermaine that she squatted. There was another person that I’m blanking on who it was. Also, they had a whole day of spending time playing games like team building games. It wasn’t a trust fall. It was actually dodgeball. There’s a picture from Peloton One studio. They had a video encapsulating the first day. Olivia Amato was having three dodge balls in a row sent to her

What did she do?

I don’t know, but you should have seen her. She was like something out of the Matrix. She was like, “Jump over here. Jump over there.” She then caught not one but two balls simultaneously, dove for it, and landed in flips like a little somersault thing. She was very committed. They were all very committed. They had several pictures showing how incredibly competitive all of the instructors were.

I think this is a competitive lot.

They also played Jenga. They were broken out into teams. It was color coded. They had another game too that I can’t remember, and then they had to build cups. They did all of that. That was all their first day. I’m not sure how they rounded out their evening, but I’m sure they had fun. Other highlights have included a group run along Central Park for all of the jet-lagged European instructors. They had nothing to do at 7 AM. They were like, “We are awake so let’s all go for a run.”

All of the strength instructors from Europe met in the gym to lift a bunch of weights. My favorite quote of the day was when they were all hanging out for some dinner or something. There were lots of faces. They had this huge camera and they did the little runway walk, each instructor, so 52 plus DJ John Michael. Above that, DJ John Michael said something like, “It’s a mind-bender or it’s a lot of energy to be around this many people with a strong personality.” That, I believe.

He sounds a little bit exhausted.

For the most part though, I enjoyed everybody’s stuff. It looked like they were having lots of fun.

People Magazine talked to Jess Sims.

She’s not afraid to live out loud and take up space. This was just an excuse for an article to plug the fact that she is partnering with a new drink that has something like Drink Out Loud.

That sounds like a lot of slurping. I’m sure it’s a fine product, but for the love of God, don’t drink out loud.

That’s what this article was truly about. It’s cool to see it. I don’t know if there’s another picture that we got in here or not, but she was in the middle of Times Square up on one of those giant billboards that feature that product.

It’s a photo where she’s in front of a billboard of herself in Times Square, which I would totally do if I ever did something important. The only way that would happen is if there was some sort of mug-shot breaking news.

But then you would be in Times Square. It would still be worth taking a picture.

I would also probably be in jail. It’s not a fully thought-out plan on my part, which is probably why I got arrested. I didn’t plan well enough. You’re the planner. I will have you project manage all my crimes like how to steal back kettle corn. Matty Maggiacomo was on the website View The Vibe, talking about exercise and its impact on mental health.

It’s physical and mental health. It’s nice to see that he’s doing that and that he’s getting a feature because Matty is one of the nicest people in the world. He’s a good person.

I was thinking about this the other day. I don’t even know why it takes up space in my head. He’s very popular, but because he’s on a piece of equipment that’s not as popular as the bike, it limits people’s access to him. If he was a bike instructor, he would be one of the most popular instructors.

I have to agree because he is one of the most popular tread instructors. I think that he’s amazing. I love him to death. I’m so glad that he got this nice spread.

He has wonderful taste in cookies.

He does. Those cookies were good.

Shape Magazine, but not Michelle K, wrote about Tunde and her favorite skincare products for when she’s gym bound.

I have to be honest, I did not get a chance to read this. If you want to know the essentials she keeps in her bag, you should go get our newsletter so you can have all of these sent to you. I can’t even pronounce that. LANEIGE Lip Glowy Balm.

Speaking of Tunde, she spoke at the Bay Path University’s 2023 Women’s Leadership Conference.

I thought that was worth mentioning. We weren’t there so I don’t know how it went, but pretty cool.

If we had been there, we would have known it was called Bay Path.

That’s fair.

Rebecca Kennedy spoke to Well & Good about standing and core workouts.

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The title of it is Are Standing Core Workouts Better Than Floor-Based Ones? She then specifically went through the pros and cons. Personally, I don’t know that I would say they are better than floor-based workouts. There are times when it is more applicable and there are people that can’t necessarily get down on the floor. Maybe they are kept from doing that because of an injury or maybe they’re too large to get down on the floor comfortably. There are a lot of things that you can do in a standing core workout that are going to be more accessible from a mobility standpoint than getting on the floor. I definitely think it depends on the person. I think that there’s absolutely a place for both.

Alex Toussaint will be doing an in-store appearance at the Puma New York City flagship store to support his new collection that’s coming out.

That collection is going to be dropping on April 15th. If you go out to the Puma website, some of those pieces are already there, but you can’t buy them yet. They say, “Come back on April 15th,” but if you want to take a look, they’re out there to look at.

Matt Wilpers has partnered with Oars And Alps, and you can win a one-on-one coaching session and a virtual bike fit from Team Wilpers.

I would like to note that Team Wilpers is definitely run by Matt Wilbers. Team Wilpers is a team of people. That does not necessarily mean that your coaching session will be with Matt Wilpers. I just want to point that out to manage expectations. However, you can also get a $200 Oars And Alps gift card, which is cool as well. That’s a very nice prize.

Speaking of Michelle K, as we were earlier, she wrote an article for Yoga Journal about Aditi Shah.

Aditi Shah talked about how much she enjoys teaching in this mass platform where she can reach so many people, and how she gets herself in the right headspace to be able to do that, which I would think would be difficult. Especially because meditation is so much about being in yourself. I think it would be hard when there are all these people listening to you live. How do you not get in your head about that? She talks about that. This would be a good one to read if you’re curious about how that works.

Robin Arzón was at ETH Denver talking about things we don’t understand.

Web3 stuff, swagger, socialism, or whatever it’s called.

I’m pretty sure it’s the opposite of socialism.

I gave it the name. I was being silly.

I looked it up. It is the largest and longest-running Ethereum #BUIDLathon.

What is Ethereum?

I have no idea.

I think they just made this stuff.

I’m worried about her. What is going on? Has she joined a cult? What is happening?

This is all to do with that.

It’s all Web3, but they say it like it makes sense. What is going on? I’m so confused. I went to the website to try to understand it. You Google it and it takes you to another website that says a bunch of things that don’t make any sense. I am so so spun around by whatever it is they are doing. Clearly, a lot of people are doing it.

We’ve been over the fact that we don’t get it before so we won’t nag about that too much. I want to point out that this was posted in collaboration with Robin. It was in Robin’s original post. The lady that interviewed her and that posted this is also a Peloton user. That is my understanding. That was the other connection there but I don’t know. I had big intentions of following this and trying to get into it. It’s too exhausting. There are too many steps. It’s got to be on Discord. I hate Discord.

It’s like there are so many things you have to know before you can start learning about it. It’s overwhelming that my brain shuts down. Not that it takes a lot.

I don’t like Discord. It’s all these chat rooms. There are these rules and then there are all these things you got to do. It’s so complex. This is good for the next generation. You all take it and run with it. I will be over here on Instagram. I’m too exhausted. I don’t want to learn another thing.

If you need something easier than Web3, Hannah Corbin got a puppy. This is our speed, puppy pictures.

This is a cute puppy. Look at those sweet eyes. It looks so fluffy. We want to pet the puppy.

You can synergize this puppy into an NF T at your Ethereum and then the social spectrum will exemplify it.

I think it’s swagger socialism, Tom. We’ve covered this.

Anthropomorphosize it, I guess. Now I’m a crypto billionaire.

No, because we don’t get it.

If I was a crypto billionaire. I wouldn’t know how to turn it into real money. It would be like the time I played video poker and didn’t realize I had won a bunch of money until I had lost it all. Coming up after this we’re going to talk to Angelo. He has me doing something that I think is Lamaze. He’s going to explain it to you and explain why. I’ll let you know when I expect to be crying.

Joining us once again is Angelo for MetPro here to answer your fitness and nutrition questions.

It’s great to see you, guys.

Except I guess this time I’m lying.

He’s really answering your question.

We were talking about posture last time. We’re in Q angles, which I think Crystal is Q from every angle. You recently had me start doing something. It’s basically a modified Lamaze position, I think.

That’s basically it.

Maybe have Angelo explain it.

My pelvic floor is in alignment with Aquarius. I don’t ask questions. I’m just like, “Okay.” You were talking about stooped shoulders of which I have two.

Tell us about the routine that you’re doing. Try to describe the movements you’re doing and then we’ll go over it.

You have me lying on the floor like I am dilated to 8 centimeters. I’m lying on the floor on my back.

It’s a lying position. There’s nothing weird about it.

You have my knees in the air holding a pillow together because I’m a proper lady. You have me touching my toes like pigeon-toed. I have my arms on the floor like I’m being mugged.

That’s the one. It’s like the stick-them-up position.

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I slide them back and forth slowly over my head until I get bored.

For the sake of our audience, I am having you do some very weird stuff. What I’m having Tom do is a combination of moves all at the same time because it amuses me.

Here’s what I find out. It serves no purpose whatsoever. It’s more of a psychological experiment. Congratulations. You failed.

For the benefit of our audience, there’s actually a very specific reason why we’re doing these particular moves. Tom is doing two exercises at the same time. He’s doing what we would call a hook-lying block squeeze. What that is designed to do is he’s lying on his back with his knees bent and feet on the ground. Because Tom has some pronation taking place in his stance. In other words, you tow out, your femur bones are externally rotated. For you and about 88% of the rest of the population. This is very common.

What I have you doing is a little bit more aggressive variation of an internal rotation exercise. That is simply lying on your back. You’re relaxing your core. You’re activating your abductors. That’s the inner thighs. Now you can squeeze like a yoga block or you can double up a pillow. That doesn’t matter. It’s a gentle movement. You’re engaging, relaxing, engaging, relaxing. We’re doing this for a few moments. What that does is gently over time, that’s going to help mitigate at least a measure of that external rotation in the feet. Don’t go home and add this to your routine and do it for the next three years, then call me up and say, “Angelo, I’m walking pigeon-toed now.” Don’t overdo it.

When I’m taking someone through these types of exercises to help create balance in the body, usually I’ll assign two weeks a month at a time. They’re doing them a few times a week and we’re doing it very gently. We’re doing moments of this, but it will have a profound impact. That’s bringing your feet back to a neutral position. When your feet are in a neutral position, that’s also going to drop your hips back more centered over your ankles.

As we mentioned last time, the greater trochanter should line up. I won’t get into the nerdy details, but suffice it to say, most people with overpronation also have a forward translation of the hips. We don’t want that because the forward translation of the hips almost always results in a forward throwing of the head and shoulders because if your spine was perfectly erect in that position, your center of gravity would be behind you and you’d fall backward. Instead of doing that, we tilt forward and round our back just a little. You don’t even realize you’re doing this, but we all do it. That way, your center of gravity is balanced.

We get your hips back. Now when you lengthen your spine, your center of gravity is going to be perfectly aligned. You’re not going to have to feel like you have to roll your head and shoulders forward. That’s why we’re adding in that block squeeze. We’ll probably only do it a few more weeks until you’re close to neutral and then we’ll stop. You are also doing a lying pullover. That’s a low-intensity mobilization move that is designed to lengthen the lats, create mobility in the shoulder, and activate the lower traps and rhomboids.

Why is that important? We can imagine elongating the lats and mobilizing the shoulders. That all makes sense to most people. When I say lower traps and rhomboids, that’s the middle upper back. Why do I need to engage those? Remember, those are the muscles that I said you’re hunching forward so that mid-upper back is getting deactivated. These pullovers are a gentle way of starting to activate those muscles. We’re getting the range of motion down, then we’re going to move into doing those motions under minor load or at least against gravity. That’s going to condition those muscles to contribute to the overall alignment we’re trying to create.

Will it make me taller?

Absolutely. I have had clients that have come back to me, and not 3 inches taller. They have come back to me and said, “I got measured a quarter inch taller,” after restoring their posture alignment. It actually can make you taller. I’m 5′ 8.5″. I usually say 5′ 9″ but I never hit 6 feet. I’ve tried. I got platform shoes for that. It actually can give you that good upright. You get to live up to your potential, Tom.

I think I already exceeded my potential. This is as good as it gets. As you said, I didn’t think I was suddenly going to be 6 feet. I was hoping to one day maybe be as tall as Tom Cruise.

Good aspirations.

You might get there.

Thank you so much for all that. If people would like you to handpick weird positions for them to lounge around the house in, where can they find you?

They can find us at Thanks, guys.

Thank you.

We have a new Broadway series. This time, featuring & Juliet.

I don’t know any of the songs from this.

You know every song from this.


Because it’s a jukebox musical.

I don’t understand why is it like & Juliet then. What’s the point? How are we tying this together?

It’s based on Romeo and Juliet. It’s supposed to be what happens after Romeo. That’s why it’s called & Juliet. It’s a jukebox musical. All the songs are pop songs. It’s like Roar, Since You’ve Been Gone, Oops I Did It Again, and songs like that. They wrote a story about those songs. You’ll know probably every song in this musical.

I don’t know if that sounds like a good musical. I do know that the way you described it doesn’t sound that great.

People seem to be digging it.

I bet it’s a lot of fun. I bet all this music is a lot of fun then.

I haven’t seen it. I know people totally dig it so I’m going to dump it a little bit even though I haven’t seen it. It feels like a cheat. It’s like you grab a bunch of songs that you already know are popular. I know that people have been doing this with jukebox musicals, but they’re based around an artist. You’re building a musical around Billy Joel, ABA, or whatnot. To be like, “We’ll pick a bunch of songs that we already know people like, and then we’ll write a story and plug them in,” feels like a cheat.

It’s like creating a boy band, “We pick this guy and this guy. They’re cute and talented, and so we made this.”

People seem to love it. We know we live in a flyover country so we don’t get to go see things like this.

I bet you it’s a lot of fun.

It probably is because people seem to love it but the Broadway guy in me is like, “That feels a little bit like a cheat.” It’s like, “I wrote this great story but I can’t find good songs so I’ll buy a bunch that I already know are hits.”

I definitely see where you’re coming from. I still think I’d like it, just knowing me. I love the graphics in it for that.

Huge news from the world of Tonal. They have a new CEO.

Aly Orady has stepped down as CEO.

He moved into a different position.

He is the Chief Technology Officer. Krystal will be taking over.

Congratulations, honey. I don’t know how I’m just now hearing about this.

It’s a different Crystal. It’s Krystal with a K.

It’s a very solid NDA that they have you signed.

They’re going to have a new CEO. We’ve had so many people ask us about this here. Here’s the deal. This is a good thing.

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I think so, especially since Aly wasn’t forced out. He’s moving to the Chief Technology Officer, which seems a similar situation with Peloton in that he created this product, and then all of a sudden had to spend all his time as a CEO instead of being the guy who knows how to make the product and make the product better. Now they’ve brought in somebody that can focus on that aspect, and he can go back to doing what he’s good at.

When you go through this letter, they also recently came through another round of funding. They raised another $130 million, and they’re really focused on listening to the people or the members specifically. They want to know what members want, and they’re committed to doing that. With the exception of you can’t bring back the instructors.

We get that you like the old instructors but it’s not going to happen. When you only say that on their Facebook world, you’re just making it harder for them to do the other things or see the other suggestions when you keep harping on the same thing over and over again. I like where Will Ferrell too. He’s not going to be back on SNL. You got to let it go.

It’s easier said than done. I understand, especially when it was a huge group exodus. Regardless, I still love the product. I feel like this is a huge turning point for Tonal. I’m not saying they’re going to snap their fingers and everything is going to be perfect. I think they have all the pieces in place now. This is a good time to announce another piece of news and that is the Superset is coming back.

You’ll have the new Superset on April 20th. Speaking of Tonal, Sports Illustrated had an interesting article putting Peloton and Tonal head to head to figure out which one is the best. It was co-written by Angelo and the answer is it depends.

Of course, it does.

What do you want?

Do you want to do strength or do you want to do cardio?

They do two totally different things.

Peloton has strength and Tonal has cardio, but let there be no mistake. Peloton’s bread and butter is going to be cardio. Tonal’s bread and butter is going to be strength.

Tonal is always going to be better at strength until Peloton comes out with a new device which they’re not going to do in the foreseeable future. Peloton is going to be better with cardio. What’s your primary focus? There’s your answer unless you’re loaded then get both.

That works too. had a couple of articles that are worth checking out.

The first one is from Tina Fryling. She reviewed the instructor match quiz. It was a very detailed review. She did a great job. I had so many people comment on this. There are so so many different feelings about this instructor match quiz.

What are people feeling?

You have people that are super technical. They’re like, “I always knew I matched up with Matt Wilpers.” One of the questions is, “Do you like technical instructions?” You’re going to get Matt or Christine. There are not that many technical instructors, versus somebody like me, they match me up with Olivia. No, I think I’ve taken Olivia five times maybe the whole time that she’s been there, not because I don’t like Olivia. She’s too frenetic on the bike. It’s like, “Up down, up down, up down. We’re going to speed.”

I need something a little more consistent for my rides. I enjoy her classes more on the tread. Even then, a lot of times, our times don’t match up or she’ll do a 30-minute and I’m looking for a 45. She’ll do a 20-minute and I’m looking for 30. It doesn’t match up in that way. It’s weird how this work but a lot of people loved seeing that they got their favorite instructor. I then have other people tell me they kept doing it over and over again until they got their instructor.

Basically, they break it out into five different things, “Here are five questions.” Through that, they break it down into, “This is probably the best person for you.” If I wanted to get a specific instructor, what would have been easier for me is to ask you what kind of workouts you’d like to do. If you’re like tread, strength, cardio, and this and that, you need to end up with somebody who does all those. There’s only one way to answer that.

If you’re like, “I only want to see which bike instructor I should be with,” you should probably just focus on the bike for that question, and do it separately for each type of exercise. They’re trying to address it like if you want to do all of those types of exercise, here’s the person for you. Overall, it’s a fun little tool. I’m glad people are having so much fun with it. Thank you, Tina, for writing it.

We also have an article about how to activate your glutes.

Here’s what happened here. We had Angelo on. He talked about how to activate your glutes and more importantly, why it was so important to physical therapists. It was in response to my question. People started writing in with all their suggestions and all these great classes that you could take. Nikki Smith then wrote an article taking all that and putting it together. It’s basically like “crowdsource the best of” if you will. I love this because I did one today. It was highly recommended. One of Hannah Corbin’s barre classes that she does. It’s the clam shells in. It burns my glutes.

There’s a fine line where you want to activate before you run. You don’t want to workout before you run, or at least I don’t. It’s a fine line but I really enjoyed it. I love that everybody got into the conversation and there were so many people giving so many suggestions. Thank you all for doing that. That’s a lot of fun. Thank you, Nikki, for writing it.

We got a whole list of classes that people seem to land on. If you want something like that, you can go check that out or sign up for the newsletter and it’ll be one of the links in this week’s newsletter. Coming up after this, we’re going to talk to Trisha Callahan. She’s our interview of the week. We’re going to talk to her about her and her daughter who happens to have autism and how they utilize Peloton. Stick around.

Joining us is Tricia Callahan. Tricia, how’s it going?

I’m good. How are you?

We are so happy to have you here. I always like to start to get an idea of where people are in the Peloton lifecycle. When did you first find out about Peloton and decide this was good for you and your family?

We heard about it 5 or 6 years ago through my sister who had one. She was going on and on. We didn’t get one until about a year and a half later. I do Ironman triathlons. I’m on the bike all the time and I have an indoor trainer. One day my husband was like, “Maybe you should get the Peloton to help you train.” I was like, “I have got this expensive bike without a trainer.” I was never a big fan of biking. I said, “Let’s do it,” with the understanding that he would also use it. He’s the one who got the shoes and everything was set up in his name and he used it twice.

I never gave you any illusions that I was going to use it.

You’re like, “I’m never touching that.”

He might have been saying that, knowing that I wouldn’t agree. I didn’t want to spend the money since I have already spent so much other money. That’s four and a half years ago now.

You have had it for quite a while. Way before the pandemic, I feel like there are so many people these days that we talked to who are pandemic Peloton owners.

For about a year, I have noticed the change. You guys probably noticed the differences, but even from the pandemic, a lot has changed.

It’s a whole different company now in about every sense of the word. You have the bike. Do you use it to train for your triathlons?

I do. I got to say that it made me like biking. The music, interaction, and teachers. I pretty much do mostly Power Zone stuff. The training. I get a lot of tips and learn a lot. It has been good in that sense.

Do you have a tread to train?

I do. We end up getting the Tread+ before all of that debacle. I use that more for speed work. I have done a couple of long distances. God bless people like Susie Chan. That’s a long time on. I can’t do that.

I get that. I don’t know if you heard about my story, but be careful out there.

That’s another reason why my husband was like that. I have to train sometimes in all weather. We are lucky that we have got space to run, but it can be icy. I’m older now. When I was 25, running in the dark was no big deal. Now, I can’t see a stick in front of me so that’s not working. For safety, it’s a great backup.

Now you need Peloton to make a pool.

Then you’d be all set.

If they could make Master Spa.

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You stay in that place and swim against the current. That would be cool.

Keep your earbuds in. Do they make those?

They do. There are underwater earbuds. We got this covered.

You athletes got all the crazy things.

They have little tablets now. It’s a little mini tablet for underwater. It has everything, podcasts, books, and movies. You could even put Hulu on there. It’s cool.

I was like, “I’m not sure if she’s joking or not.”

She’s not.

I was like, “How do you swim and watch a movie?”

I think it’s just to listen to it.

Do not watch Jaws.

What was that something about alligators and Lake Placid or something? Lake Placid is one of the iconic Ironmans. That’s probably not one you want to be listening to.

That’s exactly right. Your husband has only used the bike twice. Does he use the tread at all?

He has been starting to use it. We got him one of those desk things. He uses it while he’s working. I will give him this. We had it in our basement and the basement ceiling was too low so he couldn’t. We finally moved it upstairs because my son also started using it because he’s in track, and so he started using it. He didn’t tell us that it was too small. One day, I went down and he was in between two boards like the ceiling and hunched. I’m like, “No. You can’t run like that. That’s so bad for you.”

He was doing Matty Maggiacomo-style filming at home.

Now, they are in a space where all the tall people can use it.

Does anybody else in your family use the Peloton?

My older daughter lives down the road from us. She also uses it, but my daughter Shae is autistic. She’s 16 and she’s been using it. She’s used the bike and tread. We used the app and the meditations for her, and it’s been great.

We were going back and forth a little bit about this. How did you decide like, “Shae should try this?” What made you think that would be a good match for her?

Her OT years ago had said that she wouldn’t ever be able to do endurance because of her muscle structure, but it would be good if she could get on the tread for 15 or 20 minutes a day. We had an old tread that was only good for walking extremely slowly. It would not do anything more than that. She was doing that for a while.

When we got the bike, I was like, “Maybe you should try this and see.” She couldn’t even pedal a bike at that time. If you were like on a freestanding bike, she would pedal, but then she’d start backtracking. She didn’t know how to keep going forward. We got on and Matt Wilpers was her first class and she loved it. She thought he was winking at her the whole time. She still does.

She loved the people high-fiving and her being able to high-five. All of a sudden, I was like, “You are pedaling a bike,” because she didn’t have to worry about anything else. It’s helping her move. We started that with the bike. We don’t hit it all the time, but I’m trying to encourage her to do three days of movement. At least 15 to 30 minutes a day of movement. We then got the tread and honestly, one of the other big reasons we got the tread was for her. I was like, “I know that I will use it, but also she can use it.” She has done some walks there but she likes Rebecca Kennedy’s hikes. She seems to do well on those.

Those are no joke. For people out there who aren’t familiar with the difference, the Tread+ goes all the way up to 15%, and the regular tread goes to 12.5%. Rebecca will use the highest setting on those.

One day, Shae went up there and all of a sudden, she’s like 15% at 3.0. I’m like, “You go, girl.” She was like, “My legs hurt.” I was like, “That’s you moving,” but it was great because she’s not going to do that outside. People are encouraging her with high-fiving. She gets on there and she will start yelling at people, “You go, Mary J” or whatever the leaderboard names are. She’s cheering them on. It’s cool to watch.

Shae’s giving shoutouts. That’s great.

I believe they are Shaeouts.

I love it. That’s a new word in our house now.

You also mentioned meditations. How did that kick in?

I shouldn’t generalize, but as Shae has gotten older, her anxiety has gotten worse. She’s 100% Irish so she’s got a bad temper. Unfortunately, her emotional regulation is more like a five-year-old, so it’s very hard for her. She can’t control herself. We were trying to find ways when she was in this moment of frustration or overstimulation, whatever it be to help her calm down.

We were on a trip in a motel room waiting to get on for the ferry time. Everybody else in the area was sleeping. I’m like, “You have got to be quiet. You can’t do this.” We went in the car and I thought, “I’m going to try putting on one of these meditations.” It took a minute but she settled down and calmed down and was breathing. I’m like, “We should try this more.”

I will be honest. We went up and down about it. We forget at the moment. Her teacher, Kristen Minutoli, she’s her new teacher this year, an avid Peloton person. We were talking about it and she was like, “We can have her do the meditations here at school.” We live five minutes from the school. I was like, “Shae, every morning we are going to do a five-minute meditation on our way to school so you can start your day,” and so we do. Every day, I will listen to it. I don’t get to follow it because I’m driving, but she will follow it.

By the end of the time, we are there, she’s in a much calmer and ready-to-go state. It’s been cool listening. When we do gratitude, she will be like, “Thank you, mom. I’m appreciative of this. I love my family. Thank you for this. Thanks for these people.” The happiness she will have. I’m so happy about everything. Acceptance and we have done peace. I have all of them. It’s amazing to me how great it has been. The whole system has everything in there. The only thing we have not done is the row. If I could justify that, we probably would have that because she does like to row. I’m like, “It’s a lot of money for a twenty-minute workout.”

They had to get everybody in the family on that one, and then you can justify it. I was wondering what kind of meditations you did because my brain immediately went to a calming one. I feel like to your point, all of the meditations have a calming sense to them. I was curious about what types of meditations you chose.

I was always going towards calming and relaxing because to me I’m like, “That’s what you need.” I let her pick. Her favorite is Kristin McGee. She loves gratitude and happiness. They are the two favorites that she goes to most of the time.

I was wondering which was her favorite instructor.

Every morning, she’s like, “Can we do Kristin?” I’m like, “Okay.” We have done that. I heard it from Becs Gentry as well on a run, but Kristin talked about a breathing technique where you smell the flowers and blow out the candles, and we do that a lot. I was like, “We got it from Peloton.”

Since I did have my accident as I have been getting back into running, the breathing during running, it’s almost like I have had to relearn how to do it. I have to focus on deep breathing when I run especially with faster efforts. That is always in my head. Becs saying that is constantly in my head. I love that saying.

I would imagine too, after what you went through, that the breathing calms it down because your nerves have got to be a little bit nervous.

I’d say more than a little bit. Every time we are near a car or we cross the street, it’s a whole thing.

That wasn’t that long ago. It’s still new.

We are going to do immersion therapy and I’m going to take her to see Fast & Furious 10.

Go to Universal Studios and do all those rides. You will either be glued to a wall. We did that one. We went and they did not explain the ride very well. We brought Shae. They were holograms. We thought that these holograms were real people. That’s how accurate they were.

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Which ride was this?

Fast & Furious. We didn’t realize it was about people with guns. We thought it was going to be fast cars. They had to stop the ride and let us off because Shae was so freaking out so much. I was like, “You guys need to put a sign out there for something like this. You need to let people know what is in the content of the ride. Fast & Furious, yes. I know the movie had guns and stuff, but I wasn’t expecting people to be getting kidnapped with holograms.”

You have to do twister. There are no guns but there was a flying cow.

She’d probably laugh at that. She has a little warped sense of humor sometimes. We have been happy with everything.

Do you feel like Peloton has changed your lives and if so, how?

I do, in many ways. For me, it’s made me enjoy biking which has helped my racing. I found some climb rides and I was like, “Those killed me.” Being able to help with training and with my racing, I enjoy it more so I do better. For Shae, it gives her a place for 2 or 3 days a week of doing some movement that she enjoys and gets out. The situation is cool because her teacher, Kristen Minutoli, has been a Peloton member way before we were.

She went on a Tunde ride. She was at a live Tunde ride when Robin was doing her book signing. She’s like, “Shae, I’m doing the ride.” I’m like, “I will get her on.” She was sitting somewhere in the studio where we could see her on the screen. Shae was literally riding with her even though they weren’t face to face. They were high-fiving back and forth.

She didn’t do the full 45 minutes, but she did 30 and she had never done more than 15 or 20 before. It was so cool because it showed her this cool interaction. I thought it was neat to have the connection with her teacher and the bond that they have through that. Now, Shae did a 45-minute ride since Ms. Minutoli did a 45-minute ride.

It’s also great that she’s willing to because so many times, teenagers don’t want to do anything that you want them to do if they know it’s good for them.

That’s very true. It helps to have the shoutouts and the high-fives and all that because she’s very much motivated by people saying, “Great job,” so that helps a lot and makes it an advantage. That’s another awesome part of the Peloton and the way it works.

I also know that you mentioned that it was Autism Awareness Month coming up in April. Is there any way that the community can get involved in Autism Awareness Month? Tell us about that and what opportunities they might have.

It depends on where you are. Some places have walks. We put up blue lights because that’s the color for autism awareness. Recognizing the disorder and the people out there, and that they can do everything. This is great. It’s like she’s on there. She can ride and do the Peloton just like everybody else. It’s hard to get specifics. Autism Awareness and Autism Speaks are two of the big charities that have websites that have more that you can go to. See what’s going on around if anybody wanted to go do that, and there are a lot of walks. They do a lot of walks at this time.

That’s a good opportunity for people to educate themselves if they don’t know a lot about autism. I know that there is a huge spectrum of ways that it can affect people. Shae’s symptoms might look very different from somebody else’s and vice versa. This would be a good opportunity this April to take a few minutes and educate yourself.

The saying is when you have met one autistic person, you have met one autistic person. There are no two alike. Shae is high functioning in some ways. It took her a while to get diagnosed because she’s so talkative and that’s not a criterion usually of autism. She’s extremely social. Most of the time, most people think it’s like Rain Man, the old movie. I’m aging myself because most people may not know what that is anymore, but that is just one way. There are others like that. You have no idea because they function well enough. It’s just very challenging.

Historically, autism has been underdiagnosed in girls.

It’s very much so. They say that a lot of that is because girls learn to mimic what they are supposed to do. They will watch other girls and mimic it. It doesn’t come out. When people are observing them, they are seeing them do these actions, but that’s not them if that makes sense.

They are impersonating what’s going on around them, but it’s not a behavior that they are choosing necessarily.

It’s not what they are processing. It’s not what they are learning or who they are. They are mimicking.

Switching gears a little bit, I have to ask. Do you have an Ironman you are training for right now?

I do, in October. It’s a half Ironman that I’m doing in North Carolina. My husband and I have set up a charity to raise money for Shae’s school program at her school because there are a lot of things that the school board that they can’t do for them. We have started a charity to help raise awareness of the program so that more people know because it’s a program where it’s like a community.

There are a lot of businesses in the town that will allow these kids to work there and help them learn the skills that they need. We want to raise more awareness of that. The program is doing that and helping get more businesses involved, as well as helping them raise money for things that they need. They need a dishwasher so the kids can learn how to load it and use a dishwasher. I am doing that in October. In 2024, I’m doing the Ironman in Ireland. That’s my big one. It’s a whole group of us going out there. It’s going to be a lot of fun. That one got some climbs.

It’s slippery because of all the moss.

It’s going to be gorgeous.

They said that the people there are super friendly.

Until you make them mad and then the temper.

You got to watch out.

What is your leaderboard name?

Mine is Tri4ShaesWay. One of Shae’s greatest strengths is kindness, compassion, and wanting to make everybody happy. She will give everybody a compliment, but she means it from the heart. A good example is when she was six, we were in Nantucket with family. We were walking down the street on a Sunday. On the other side of the street, a young lady in her twenties was all dressed up and walking quickly. She must have been going to work because it was that time when the stores were opening. Shae just randomly yells out, “I love your shoes.”

It was the first time that it made an impact on me because it was the first time I saw the impact that she made. The girl stood up a little bit straighter and slowed down a tad. You could tell that made a difference because she loved her shoes, but that’s her. If somebody’s hurt, she’s the first one with tissues to try and help them. Tri4ShaesWay is everybody being a little kinder and empathetic towards everybody else.

Wouldn’t that be nice? That’s wonderful.

Are you comfortable sharing Shae’s leaderboard name?

Yes. Hers is TheNewJerseyCallahans1 because at one point we were going to do tails. I don’t know why we didn’t do it. She loves Sonic and Tails, and I don’t know why we didn’t do that. We kept it TheNewJersey. I think it was my husband. When she was younger, he was a little more concerned about security.

That’s why I was asking if you are comfortable.

Now she’s older and she understands that stuff, but back then she wouldn’t have. TheNewJerseyCallahans1.

Before we go, I want to make sure you have an opportunity to tell people if you want to tell them where the website is that you are raising money and if they have any interest in donating.

I don’t have it up yet.

You send it to me and I will put it up in The Clip Out group.

We have been getting everything together. That would be awesome. I love that.

Before we let you go, where can people find you on social media and whatnot if you would like to be found?

My Instagram is @TrixNCor and my Facebook is Tricia Lesnevich-Callahan. I’m not on Facebook a whole lot, so Instagram is the main way. That’s as far as my social media. I tried Snapchat for a while but things disappeared way too fast. I was like, “I didn’t get to read it. I didn’t finish it. It’s gone. I want to go look at it again.” I can’t do this. This frustrating.” Instagram is perfect. It’s fast and easy. You get the content and you are good to go.

Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to join us. We greatly appreciate it.

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I thank you for having me. I want to get the word out about how much something like Peloton can help these kids, help these people and adults. I don’t think they realize how much of an effect that it all has. I will say that I forgot about yoga because she will do yoga with me once in a while. We only do a five-minute. Chelsea Jackson usually is the best one for her. It’s like everything. It helps calm her and keep her base. I like the idea of getting the word out to other people. Maybe it can help them if they think about it.

I think that’s great because there are a lot of people that don’t have an open mind about anything. They are like, “This is what I do,” and you keep your head down and you don’t think about how other things might help. That’s fabulous. Thank you again.

Thank you so much.

You are welcome. We appreciate you taking the time.

I guess that brings this episode to a close. Until next time, where can people find you?

People can find me at They can find me on Instagram, Twitter, and the Peloton leaderboard @ClipOutCrystal.

You can find me on Twitter @RogerQBert or Facebook at You can find the show online on While you’re there, like the page and join the group. Don’t forget our YouTube channel at That’s it for this one. Thanks for tuning in. Until next time, keep pedaling and running and rowing.


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