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215: More Details on Peloton’s Top Secret New Hardware plus our interview with Jasmine Mills

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More details have leaked Peloton’s upcoming strength device and we have an exclusive up-close image of “Tiger.”

Sam Yo takes us behind the scenes of class creation.

Dr. Jenn – How to prepare when things keep canceling.

Gizmodo spotlights Sam Yo.

Shape Magazine features Robin Arzon’s postpartum workouts.

Yahoo talks to Kendall Toole about healthy ways to deal with social media.

Angelo talks about combining exercising with fasting.

Well And Good examines the Strive Score.

Mashable has tips on connecting your Air Pods to your Peloton.

Australia-based Marketing Magazine on Peloton Down Under.

Hipgnosis is buying up music catalogs. What does that mean for Peloton?

There’s a new study about a quick, medicine-free way to reduce your blood pressure.

New Challenge – Get Out And Move

Tunde is doing a live class with Allyson Felix.

All this plus our interview with Jasmine Mills!

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More Details on Peloton’s Top Secret New Hardware plus our interview with Jasmine Mills

Things are getting back to normal. We went to the movie theaters for the first time in a long time and saw F9, which I called F this movie. It’s not for me.

I don’t think it’s for many people.

Based on the box office, it’s for a lot of people.

I mean the specific episode. It might as well be an episode. It’s not a movie.

This is the ninth one, tenth if you count Hobbs & Shaw.

I don’t, but this franchise. The thing is it was so incredulous and that’s fine. If that’s what the movie is going to be, then be credulous. That’s okay but you can’t say as a quote in your movie, “As long as we use math and science, it doesn’t matter,” but there is no math and science.

Those three seconds sum up the movie when the character says, “As long as we follow the laws of Physics, everything will work out fine.” To be clear, the character is not being tongue in cheek or ironic. The character is dead serious and he says that while in a Pontiac Fiero in space. Again, in a space ridden Pontiac Fiero. It’s not my thing.

I wouldn’t recommend paying for that movie. That’s all.

Although based on the box office, we are too late. They’re making a ton of money.

Good for them. People are hungry to get out of the house.

Family is important. Anyway, what do you have in store for our family?

We’re going to talk to John Mills about Peloton’s marketing leak, not leak, on purpose leak. We don’t know. We’re going to discuss it. We also have Dr. Jenn stopped in and we talk about how to stay motivated to train for events when all of your events keep getting canceled. MetPro is going to drop by and talk about exercising while fasted. We also have this unique behind the scenes video from Sam Yo, which I loved. We’re going to dig deep on that, and then there are tons of in the news items that we’re going to discuss as well.

Before we get to all that, shameless plugs, don’t forget we’re available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts. Wherever you find podcasts, you can find us. While you’re there, be sure and follow us so you never miss an episode. If you’d be so kind, maybe leave a review so people know we’re worth checking out. We actually have a new review. This is from KBG 28638.

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I don’t know. You’ve got to wonder. It says, “Fridays are my favorite. I get so excited for the newest episode of The Clip Out every Friday, getting the latest Peloton scoop and hear the fantastic interviews. Crystal and Tom are amazing and so funny.” I’m funny and your amazing. We split the duties there.


You turn around and say something funny. You’re totally shitting on my theory. Thanks a lot. Now people are going to expect me to be amazing.

That’s a lot of pressure.

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Thank you very much. That was a sweet review. We appreciate you taking the time to send that in.

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We shall.

Joining us is John Mills.

It’s all good.

There’s information out there, photographic evidence.

You might remember, it’s been a long time since we talked about that there was information that came via the Peloton Prophet that we were going to have new equipment. It was some kind of a device that we believe is being called Tiger and we described what it looked like. Since then, because we said it was going to drop in the Fall, Peloton sent out a marketing email to some people. This did not go to everybody. I don’t know how they choose who they send it to. They sent it out and they were like, “We have questions for you. Don’t talk about these questions or the answers you give,” then ten seconds later, people started posting the pictures that were included in the email. The email had pictures of Tiger and their upcoming strength machine. We wanted to talk about that because now it’s all fair game. Now, it’s out there.

Could you really have assumed that wasn’t going to go across the internet?

I wouldn’t have assumed that but I know that they ask people to not share it. I don’t know if you officially do a signature but I know that they say, “You’re agreeing not to talk about this by taking the survey,” and then people immediately went and talked about it because they’re people.

It makes me go, “Was this intentional?”

That’s where I landed too because people always leaked, “Here’s the new iPhone. Here’s the new Pixel 9.”

Did you guys hear that the Apple guy who’s known for leaking Apple the most got a letter from Apple? They were like, “Freaking stop it, dude.”

Did he get a CND?

It wasn’t quite a CND. It was strongly worded. They didn’t share it because it had personal information and nobody knows who this guy is. I don’t know that it’s widely known. He didn’t say he was going to stop. He did say he was going to slow down so take that how you will.

If you’re going to ask some questions from the community about a product that’s coming, and you’re going to give them pictures, that’s a recipe for spamming the internet.

I see what you mean and I don’t disagree. It is putting a lot out there. With Peloton, there was that article about how they were mad that these scoops got out so I’m surprised that they’re sticking it in an email. I don’t disagree with you but then you also have to wonder, are these pictures misleading? Are they thoughts?

My first thought was, did they pick items that are close to looking like what those devices are but aren’t actually those devices?

Do you know how diabolical that would be, and then completely different things dropped.

I don’t think that’s what’s happening.

We have a picture of it. If you want to see it, you can go to our Facebook page or Crystal’s Instagram account, @ClipOutCrystal or you can watch us on YouTube at There’s a close-up look, not the little tiny thing that’s been floating around, of what the Tiger device is.

It seems like from the marketing information that came out, they’re at least thinking about the name. It is going to be Peloton Focus. Things we still don’t know are, what is it going to cost? Will there be an upcharge? However, I did get another little thing thrown in there. This piece will be shipping with the Peloton wearable.

It’s all bundled together.

To me, this piece is more about using the app because this is something you’re going to see on your TV screen. What we’re envisioning this to look like is very much like the Xbox Kinect where you had an image on the screen and it followed you. There will be a shadow image next to you that is going to allow you to check your form and be able to see what’s going on. As I’ve mentioned before, this is stage one. This drops in the Fall and there are more pieces to come. One of the other pieces that were in that marketing email that came out was a picture of the strength device that we’ve been hearing about that plugs into this thing. You’re going to be able to use somehow the stats or an image from this. John, we’ve talked to you at length about your thoughts on some of the devices that Peloton has looked at buying and making something similar. Tell us what your thoughts were when you saw that picture.

A couple of things. We know from listening to Jill Woodworth that their thought has been they didn’t want to put another screen in our homes. When we started hearing that statement in late 2020, I started thinking that it aligned if they’re looking at products, and we had heard they were looking at Tempo back in 2020. It aligned to something like a platform device like W8X that was out at the time or things that have come since then. There’s that MaxFit device. It’s like a platform with a cable. There’s that Zeno Gym that also has the platform with the cable.

Tom pulled up a device. This is something like what you’re talking about, right?

This company’s name was W8X back in early 2020. When I saw it and then later in 2020, when I heard Jill Woodworth talking about a device without a screen, my initial thought was that they’re trying to do this. This is what’s coming next. W8X changed their name to Go Arena. This is what you see now. This guy you’ve seen on the screen, Devon Lévesque, is a big-time super athlete trainer. He’s an investor in this company. At the time, I also noticed that a lot of Peloton people were following him. I always do come up with my predictions and I was like, “Peloton is buying them,” but that was wrong. I do think they’re building something. I think the Peloton platform probably aligns well with this.

That makes sense because the picture that came out in that marketing email was very similar to this. It had a platform looking device and a rower thing next to it. It had a couple of handles laying next to it to give the impression that you would use it just like you’re seeing on the screen. You’re using it like you would any kind of cable machine but it starts at the bottom, not at the top. The consensus is that Peloton sent this marketing email out to get feedback from the Peloton community to see how should they position themselves against competitors like Tonal. My point to all of that, I don’t think that those pictures were misleading. Those pictures are dead on and it matches everything we’ve been talking about for months.

If the thing is watching you where you want it to, it looks like it has a thing that’s very easy to cover up the lens for your monitor, then where is that image going? Do you think there’s some sort of shadow image?

I think this is going to have an HDMI cord and you’re going to plug it into your TV. That matches what John was saying about how they don’t want to include another screen in your house because you can use it without a screen.

Let me ask you this. If you think it plugs into your TV, is there a reason it wouldn’t plug into your monitor on your Bike or Tread?

That’s possible. There is an HDMI port.

They’ve said that with the Bike+, you needed the new monitor for it to be supported for new things going forward. Look at me remembering something. I came up with the name of the thing. I got to script a whole lot. They said that if you want your bike to keep getting updated, you need this new monitor. If you don’t have the new monitor, then pound sand because it won’t work with new updates we roll out. We assumed at the time that meant software.

I still think that’s part of it but you raised a very good point though.

Maybe it’s because they knew this was coming and they knew they couldn’t make it backwards compatible with the old monitor so they encouraged everybody to get the new monitor.

What are your thoughts on that, John?

I start to think about the ability to swivel the screen. If you have the Bike+, that makes perfect sense. If you have the bike, you’re going to need that screen to be pointing at you and you’re going to be on the side of the bike to use this Peloton device.

Maybe it’s either-or. Maybe it’s your TV or your bike.

It’s still can work on the other one.

Ultimately, this is ingenious. If you’re trying to win a number of member revenue base or if you’re looking at winning the space in that realm, this is ingenious because you now have this product that you can align with the bike and tread. Now you’ve got this platform and you could likely charge a full subscription for that. Whereas for this Peloton Focus device, I don’t know that you can charge for that. Could it be a part of a component use if you’re mobile? You could sell up features on this full-featured device to be another part of this funnel towards getting people into full membership. It gives both sides of the equation something, and it gives them disparate things to sell. In my mind, it sounds like if you’re looking at winning straight from a perspective of how many members do you have and how much revenue do you generate, to me, this is ingenious.

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I wonder if it’s also a way to take Peloton with you?

That’s a good point but I don’t know how heavy that thing is.

All you’re taking is the Tiger device, maybe.

You can plug it into any HDMI port.

If you’re traveling or if you do want to have a gym membership, you would take this thing along with you.

I thought you meant the platform.

That’s too much, I would think.

The interesting thing about mobility with the platform also is that the other devices like the Go Arena device talk about it from a mobility perspective.

Do they? How heavy is that thing? That thing does not look light.

It looks bulky too.

I always think that same thing as it relates to the thing can do up to 200 pounds of resistance and you change all the resistance from your phone and it’s all digital. My mind kept thinking about, is it your body weight that stopped it from going anywhere? If not, doesn’t it have to have some type of base weight? I always thought the same thing but in all of their videos, they’re always using it on the beach or they took it somewhere or at some park. They sell up this “you don’t have to be at home” deal. Some of the other players that came after them do the same thing.

It will be good for people that don’t have space for something like a Tonal in their home and they can’t put it on the wall. It would be good for people like that but I’m having trouble picturing where’s the instruction coming from. Is that like you plug it into this Tiger thing and it shows on your TV and you just follow along? I’m having trouble seeing that in my head but it’s got to be something like that.

I see those things as two disparate things. I see the platform as its own device that it’s going to have classes relative to that device, and then I see this Focus device as being an add-on that you could use in classes that use the platform. You could use them in classes that are using free weights. You could use that thing with many different types of classes but I see them as disparate.

How much does that Go Arena thing cost?

The base product is $2,000. If you start buying all the accessories like the long bar, the attachments, the stand, a carrying case, it’s like a bunch of things, that gets you up to right under $3,000, somewhere around $2,700.

I wonder if there’s going to be an additional monthly charge for this type of thing.

I can’t imagine there isn’t.

That’s what I keep thinking too. It’s going to be like you start to pick and choose. It’s almost like what Apple does where you can have Apple news, Apple fitness plus and Apple whatever but it’s all different packages, or you can buy one that has everything and that’s a little bit cheaper. I think it’s going to be something like that. I don’t think it’s going to be just keep paying that $40 and do whatever you want. We’re running out of that.

If it’s something like that, that’d be interesting.

That’s a way to get an upcharge in there without an upcharge. It’s like, “You elected for this new thing and it cost an extra $10 a month because they’ve married themselves to that $40. It will go up eventually because of time. That’s inflation. I think they’re trying to hold on to that for as long as they can in a way to hold on to that $40 but still charge more to say, “If we have this new thing and if you want the new thing then there’s a subcharge.”

It’ll be interesting to see because they made great pains when the tread came out to say, “We’re going to go ahead and give you this content, but it was not without a big discussion for $40.” That was setting the stage. Now that more things are coming, they’re going to be like, “That was a one-time thing, folks.”

“We’re not doing that twice.” They’re like, “Whoops.”

Especially given that they’re publicly held now. That’s another reason.

They’ve sold how many treads? I know that it’s on pause but was it like 150?

I think it’s 125 but a lot.

Imagine if they got $10 a month extra from all those people. That all adds up.

Yes, indeed. Yes, it does.

That is where we’re at. We don’t know much more about that heart rate wearable other than it’s shipping with the Peloton Focus and we think still it’s going to be this Fall so watch this space.

Let’s segue into our next topic. Sam Yo took us behind the scenes of basically a class creation. He was showing us what it was like when he creates his All For One class.

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He did one for the Imagine Dragons. This video is super fascinating because he walks us through the process. For people who haven’t had a chance to see it, you must watch. This is absolute Peloton required. First, he gets a list of music, then he gets a mood board. He said that this was for theme classes. I don’t know that this occurs for every class but for theme classes, this is what happens. This mood board included details about what the band wears, the colors they wear, what the things represent. Sam Yo takes us through his process. In this particular piece, he was trying to work out the actual music that he was going to do a class to so that he can get in the zone. He likes to envision it. Now you’re seeing the mood board. You have colors and you have their vibe. I don’t remember what it was called, but he went online and started shopping. according to what they told him what this mood board had.

It was a psychedelic fashion.

He picked out an outfit to wear just for this class and accessories, and then he got back on the phone with his producer and they go through the list because he had a class setlist. They talked about the classes they should cut and what they should keep. They then do a rehearsal. That killed me. I was like, “What?” They did a rehearsal and then he played it back and he was like like this, and he moved songs around.

It was stunning how much back and forth. Towards the end, he said that it’s four weeks that he was working on this one class.

What were your thoughts, John?

It was wild. It was interesting that he was listening and asking Alexa to play music by the artists so that he could get up to, what are the songs that these folks have? It makes sense to me. If they asked me to do a lot of these artists theme songs classes, I might know a song or two but I wouldn’t know the depth of it. It makes sense that they would need to study up it. It was interesting that he did the rehearsal, and then after the rehearsal was over, he watched it and then he’s going, “Wait a minute. I was in the saddle a little bit too much. I need to get out a little bit more. I need to change this up.” It wasn’t that he was just changing the playlist. He was looking at what he did and trying to think about how he might change that up, which all makes sense. When I’m trying to create these parodies, how many scenes I record before you come up with the right one? All of this makes sense but the way it’s presented, it feels like it’s ad hoc.

I need to jump in real quick and talk about his autographed Godfather poster. Is that at his apartment?

I’m assuming it is.

That’s pretty awesome. It does look pretty real.

I was impressed with it.

I love that he cut the sleeves off. I felt like you would bond with him over that.

I feel like that was a secret shout out to John Mills.

I love that. That’s my favorite part.

The blue steel was my favorite part. I feel like it’s another example of all of the work that goes into it. To see it laid out in this methodical way gives you appreciation on a deeper level. I am super fascinated by these things but it is truly a TV show.

It shows you when people say, “What’s the difference between Peloton and the other exercise platforms?” I think it’s this. The amount of thought that goes into the content creation. Even if you don’t realize the thought, it’s there and you know it, whether you know it or not. You can feel the difference even if you don’t know why you feel the difference.

Gail sent this video to me. She’s super into music. She also sent another couple of pictures and this is the before and after setlist that they did. I thought that this was pretty cool because the class order change. The way that he listed out the songs changed, and the whole feel of the class changed because of that. This is the before. This was the first one that he rehearsed. We’ve got Friction, Walking The Wire, Believer, It’s Time, Radioactive, and On Top of the World.

What did it actually end up being?

He starts with Friction then goes to Believer, Thunder, Demons, It’s Time, Radioactive, Release, and Whatever It Takes.

This would stretch up a lot.

They did. It’s interesting how much they play with it until they get it where they want it.

I don’t know if that was after the rehearsal. I don’t remember now but I remember he had a meeting with the producer and they were talking through the setlist, which if the producer is doing that after that rehearsal, you have multiple perspectives now going, “This doesn’t work. Maybe you should change this. Here’s another thought.” That’s a pretty cool process.

I was pretty impressed.

It’s pretty cool to see how the sausage gets made.

I’m a big nerd like that.

That’s good stuff. I like that. My goodness, four weeks for a class.

It means how long in advance they knew what was going to be on AFO before we did. I forgot to mention one other little thing about the sausage. They got their surprise email. He didn’t know. It was like, “You’ve been chosen for a class.” He didn’t know the artist.

I bet you that that’s probably because they have so many instructors now and there are so many artists involved in this. They don’t want them all fighting over, “I want to do Pearl Jam.” It’s like, “We’re going to dole them out.”

I envisioned them putting their favorites in, and then Peloton was like, “X was chosen.” They don’t show how it got chosen but you got to vote and there you go. It’s like choosing classes in high school.

What I like is he seemed like, “I’m ordering this off Amazon.” It was his own input. That’s the part I would have loved, to figure out how I want to represent this. Rather than it being dictated down.

You would have had a wig.

Every one of my classes would have a wig though.

Until you had to do a whole class wearing a wig, then you would stop doing that.

I’m a perfectionist. If it took them four weeks, it might take me eight weeks. I’d be doing five classes a year.

Here’s the difference though. That’s his job. You didn’t have to do that and a job.

Don’t forget, that’s only for the theme classes. We don’t think this is every single class.

I can’t imagine that they’d do this to this degree.

No wonder you know how the instructors are always like, “I have big news to announce on Monday.” They’ve been working on this for weeks. It’s huge news to them. They’re so excited to share it with us.

You’re like, “It’s just another music class.”

It’s like, “I put my blood, sweat and tears on this for four weeks.”

You’re so selfish. You two should be ashamed of yourself.

You too, Tom.

I don’t do it anyway. I’m consistent.

I guess we’re selfish, John. I’m okay with that.

Thank you so much for joining us. Until next time, remind everybody where they can find you.

They can find me on my Run, Lift & Live group or page on Facebook. They can find me on Instagram @RunLiftAndLive or at

Thank you.

How has your workout been going?

With my Tonal journey? This is not a reflection of Tonal but I hate it. I’m not a fan of working out but I am a fan of Tonal. I seem to be getting places between that and MetPro. I’ve been eating differently and that supercharged it. Every time you’re down there and I’m doing one, you make fun of me when it does a PR because it makes that little noise. I don’t even pay attention and you’re like, “PR.” I’m like, “Yeah.”

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It shows how much stronger you’re getting every single time you work out. It’s awesome that it goes up to 200 pounds of resistance but it raises it 1 pound at a time. You’re making all these changes but it’s done in small steps so it’s totally easy to do.

It’s never overwhelming because you can always lift another pound. It’s not like they do it every time. They wait until they feel like you’ve done that weight long enough. They make the choices for you. You can adjust if you want if you feel like you know what you’re doing.

I don’t think you realize how far you’ve come because you made a statement to me while doing 4 Weeks to Fat Loss 2 and you are on your last week, I believe. You said to me, “This is an easy one.” You rattled off four exercises that if you go back to the beginning of your Tonal journey, it would not have seemed easy. One of them was resisted step-ups and something else. You used to curse at them. Now you’re like, “These are the easy ones.” You’re getting places.

I guess so. I did carry the laundry the other day and it wasn’t so hard.

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Joining us once again is Dr. Jenn Mann, licensed marriage, family and child therapist, and sports psychology consultant. She also has a wonderful app called No More Diets, which helps you with your intuitive eating. You might want to check that out. She also loves her Peloton and can’t stop talking about it, ladies and gentlemen and all points in between, it’s Dr. Jenn. Hello.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for being here. We have another great question for you from The Clip Out community. This one is from Tracy Coulter Mulligan. She says, “How do you stay motivated for an endurance event like a marathon when they keep getting canceled? I’ve had four marathons canceled since the pandemic. Even after doing two virtual ones, I don’t know how to stay motivated to run, which then has an effect on all my other goals and workouts. Thoughts.”

I totally get this. I ran a marathon in 1999. I trained for it all year long at the time with a group called the LA Lakers. It was grueling and intense. It becomes your total focus. You can’t do something that extreme and that challenging without it becoming almost the center of your life or certainly a massive focus point. When you have something that takes up that much time and energy and focus, and then it gets canceled, it is devastating on a profound level. It’s also devastating that we’ve been going through such a difficult time as a country with COVID, and with things that are normally anchors for us like birthdays, weddings, anniversaries, holidays, trips, school, going to the office. All of this stuff that for so long, we have not been able to do that when you have something like that, you go, “Maybe I can’t go to my cousin’s wedding but I can do this marathon.”

I also think that sometimes psychologically, we focus more on exercise because we’re like, “That’s the one thing I can control. I can’t control the numbers go up or down. I can’t control what’s going on but I can control this.” To have that pulled away from you is a horrific blow. The first thing that I would say is I wouldn’t do any marathon. I wouldn’t sign up for any marathons in areas where the numbers tend to be high. I would try to push things too much further out as opposed to much closer because we’re starting to open up, especially with this Delta variant, we don’t know what’s going to happen next. Being cautious about what races you sign up for especially the big ones.

If a 5K gets canceled, you’re probably not going to be hit as hard because you probably do a few of them leading up to your marathon, but if you signed up for a half marathon or a marathon, that’s going to be a particularly heavy blow. That’s one thing. I also think that preparing yourself psychologically and having a backup plan, “If this marathon gets canceled, I’m going to do the virtual marathon.” I get that they are not as satisfying but at least it’s something that you get to utilize the skills that you built during that training period so that you can have evidence of what you’ve done and having that sense of accomplishment is important.

That’s a good idea. Along those lines, maybe she knows somebody locally that she could run with that’s safe, they’re in the same bubble. If something gets canceled, they could still participate outside.

Having a running partner makes a big deal psychologically. The studies actually showed that if you have a running partner, you’re more likely to complete a marathon. When I did that marathon in 1999, at the time, I invited twenty friends to join me because I figured not everyone’s going to make it through. Five actually started with me and at the end, I had one. That one was everything because we would meet. I remember we had runs where we met at 5:00 in the morning. I lived in Brentwood at the time. We would meet in the dark, sometimes in the rain running to gab. It was an intense bonding experience where you got to know each other on a deep and profound level because you run for hours and hours and you’re talking. It was amazing, but the studies do show that having a running partner makes it more likely you’ll complete a marathon.

That makes sense.

In a way, you have completed a marathon because the pandemic has certainly turned into one.

We all completed one in 2020.

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We all get medals.

It was one of those ultra-marathons.

Thank you so much for joining us. Until next time, where can everyone find you?

You can find me on all social media @DrJennMann.

We were talking about Sam Yo and he’s featured on Gizmodo, Meet Sam Yo, Peloton’s Geekiest Instructor.

He’s perfect for Gizmodo.

Part of me is like, “Did he hire a new publicist?” The other part of me is like, “Should he hire any publicist?” As a geek, there’s no shame in it. Let that geek flag fly.

He has a lot in common with you and everyone in his household. He likes Karate Kids, Star Wars and Transformers.

I don’t like Transformers.

I know. I said a lot of things in common. I see that Back To The Future is also included here.

Ghost Busters, Superman, Lost Boys, we’d probably get along just fine.

I think you would. If you have not checked out this article, I highly recommend you do so. Make sure that you are subscribed to our newsletter so that you can get it right in your email box. has Robin Arzon on and they talk about her postpartum recovery routine.

She’s officially back. Her first ride was in fact an All For One ride. People had thought maybe she’s going to do an In Heights. She will be doing one, I’m sure. That was not her first ride back as we thought. It was the All For One. She didn’t miss a beat. She was right back up there doing her thing. This article goes through and talks about how she’s been adjusting to postpartum recovery.

I have to ask, is that a new picture? I’ve lost track of time. Is her child fifteen?

No, she recovered very quickly. She has an appropriate amount of body fat. She’s very lean and strong. She watches what she eats and she eats vegan. She never stopped exercising. If you have the ability to do all of those things, it’s going to make it faster to recover. Congrats, Robin.

You’re not jealous at all.

There she is. Has it been that long since she had a child that she’s already back in shape like that?

We’re jealous. Good for you.

Joining us once again is Angelo from MetPro here to answer all of your nutrition questions.

Hey, guys.

We’ve been asking questions from The Clip Out community. We have another one about fasting. This one is from Lisa Goldman and she is curious what your thoughts are on intermittent fasting, especially the value of working out while fasting.

I’m a little worried because this question has been on our list for a little bit. I hope she hasn’t been fasting this whole time waiting for an answer.

She’s intermittent fasting so it’s okay. She’s taking breaks between the fasting.

That’s a very common question. This is a bit of a can of worms with a lot of tentacles. I’ll try and be as direct as I can. The question is when you’re in a fasted state, your body is a little more predisposed to having to use the onboard resources. Without getting overly technical about how you break down branched-chain amino acids and use lipids for fuel, essentially what happens is you’re more prone to burn a little more body fat. You’re equally more prone to burn a little more muscle as lean tissue for fuel. You’re in more of a catabolic state. This boils down to a question that you’ll hear me talking about a lot. What are your goals? The major problem is that we take one truism or one scientific strategy and we apply it to everyone. It may not apply to everyone.

When I get asked about a fasting state cardio, what I ask myself is, “With this client, am I okay with sacrificing a little bit of optimal when it comes to muscle mass maintenance, retention or building in exchange for a little more optimization around fat loss?” I want to underscore a little because fasting state cardio is a nuance. Your total daily intake, your overall maximum nutrients, protein, carbs, fats, spreading out of the meals and how you do that is going to be the bigger of the factors. If you already have those things in place, it is a truism that if you go into, for example, morning cardio in a fasting state, you’ll be burning in that lipolytic pathway a little bit faster. You can still build muscle as long as you’re getting adequate overall daily calories and protein even if you train in a fasting state, but what we’re talking about is nudging towards optimal.

If I have someone whose stature is that of the cartoon character, the King of the Hill. They’re skinny arms, skinny legs, flat butts and guts and says, “I want to lose a few pounds,” I’m going to be able to get him to lose weight even without fasting state cardio. Why? Because I don’t want him to lose the little bit of muscle we do have on his legs and arms. In that case, it’s not a good trade. If somebody is stocky. They have that mesomorphic or endomorphic body type, maybe they’ve done quite a bit of strength training back in the day. They have a good muscular base. They’re not worried that they have too much muscle or they’re not going to maintain enough muscle.

They are a great candidate for some low-intensity fasting state cardio in the morning if their body tolerates it. It’ll be a little bit more optimal for fat burning. The fact that it’s not optimal for muscle building is not that costly in that case. The answer is going to be understanding your body type and what your goal is right now, and deciding on a strategy. I do want to give this one caveat and that is if your priority overall is performance, I always want you to fuel at least a little bit first. That’s going to be optimal if performance is your number one priority.

That makes perfect sense. It was a little more direct then than your usual “It depends,” so I liked that.

It still depends.

Thank you so much for joining us. Until next time, where can people find you?

Thank you.

Well And Good wrote an article walking people through exactly what a Strive Score means and how it works.

This is according to a cardiologist. I saw so many articles and people are frustrated with this. The people who are super into sports and how you can track progress are frustrated with this. For the average person, the weekend warrior, especially people who are getting started, this is great to use. Somebody compared it to Strava Score and it’s like that. It’s just that now you don’t have to have Strava to be able to keep track of that. Before, you had to have Strava, which you then had to connect all your Peloton workouts to. This is going to be something you can use all the time. With that brand new wearable coming out, that means from day one, you’re going to be able to keep track of your heart rate. You’re going to be able to keep track of your strength, your Strive Score. You’re going to be able to see how you’re progressing. Generally, you want to see 30-minute class to 30-minute class, less. You want to see a trend over time showing higher output and less of a strive score. That should be the trend you’re seeing for the different types of classes you do.

Got you. You’re striving less because you’re more efficient.

You nailed it and that’s basically what this says.

I’m sure there are more accurate metrics and whatnot, but especially for maybe a lot of people, it’ll be a stepping stone. You start this, then you get to a point where you’re like, “That’s not telling me enough,” and then you go and find the other stuff. Mashable had an article about how to connect your AirPods to a Peloton.

I thought we should highlight this because since I’ve become an Apple user, it has become clear to me that people who do nothing but Apple don’t always know about other options out there. If you use an AirPod with your phone on your iPhone, it just finds each other. It’s a happy union in instant. I will give it that. It’s working. If you want to use it with something else, it’s not as simple. It’s still a couple of steps but it’s not as intuitive. That’s where this article can come in. It guides you through the few steps that you need to take. It’s very easy to do but for people who don’t know what they’re doing, this is a good thing to have.

That’s another good reason to sign up for the newsletter. If you’re struggling with that, you’ll get that link sent straight to you. MarketingMag, which I believe is out of Australia, is talking about why Peloton isn’t the Netflix of fitness and that’s why it can succeed in Australia.

That cracked me up after hearing it be called the Netflix of things forever. It’s true though. Peloton has some things in common with Netflix, but it has a lot of things that are very different from Netflix. That’s what this article centers on. It talks about how Peloton does things so differently and that is why they’re going to succeed, which I totally agree with. I thought it was a clever article and want to share it. Also, we’re starting to get more news out of Australia with Peloton and I love seeing that.

One of the things they have in common with Netflix is content creation. One of the things they don’t have in common, which will benefit Peloton long-term is that Peloton has always created their own content. With the exception of the music licensing aspect, they’ve never relied on other entities to create content for them. With Netflix, especially when they first started, they were repurposing other people’s content. They then had to pivot because they could see the writing on the wall that they were making so much money. The content creators were going to want to mirror what they were doing and not renew their licensing agreement, which is why they started throwing hundreds of millions, if not billion dollars into content creation. They’re probably positioned better because they’ve never relied on other people to create the stuff for them. There’s also an interesting article about Hipgnosis Financials and what it could mean for the future of Peloton. I guess they’ve been going around buying up a lot of music licenses.

I thought there was one line that goes through where they’re getting their revenues from, their information. It says here, “We believe TikToK alone is already 6.5% of Sony Music’s revenues. We expect that in due course, these emerging digital platforms such as TikToK, Triller, Roblox, Peloton and others will generate as much as 15% of our revenues. That first figure hasn’t been officially confirmed by Sony Music but it certainly merits further investigation.” How fascinating is that? I just thought with all the music talk we do here, it’s 15% of revenue.

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It’s funny because everybody was like, “Album sales are down.” They’re finding ways to monetize this stuff. They always will.

You can get that article sent to you as well because he’s going to send it out. It’s coming.

This is an interesting article I stumbled across. It’s not necessarily Peloton related but it’s definitely health and fitness. It’s about a five-minute breathing exercise that will lower your blood pressure better than working out or medication.

I can’t remember what the name of this thing is called.

It’s like an IMST device.

I can’t remember what IMST stands for but when we get there, we’ll say it.

It’s Inspiratory Muscle Strength Training. It’s a device you can blow into and it will strengthen your breather.

This thing goes on to say that it can increase your VO2 max and your lung capacity, not just your blood pressure but they think you can do all of these things. We were looking, I don’t know how good they are but apparently, you can buy these devices on Amazon for $50. You only have to use it for five minutes a day. I’m not saying, “Don’t exercise.” Tom might say that but that’s not what I’m saying. What I am saying though is if this could help people improve, in addition to regular exercise, their lung capacity and their ability to run. They’re saying that you can run longer because your legs won’t get tired because you’ll have more oxygen coming into your lungs. I’m pretty interested in trying it out.

It’s fascinating especially anytime you can do something like that with no medication, that seems like a no-brainer.

I’m onboard.

There’s a new challenge for people.

It’s called Get Out And Move. The idea is that you do outdoor workouts but apparently, it’s any workout that does not require equipment. It could be yoga or body strength. To find out which classes specifically you can do, you go to the collections and look for Get Out And Move. All you have to do are four workouts from the collection. You have to do it between July 7th and July 21st, and you get a new badge and it’s a cute badge. It looks like an outdoor and little guy running. You need it, I’m pretty sure.

Tunde is doing a live class with Allyson Felix.

This is going to be fun. Tunde is doing a live class. Allyson Felix is going to be there. She is going to be a special guest on the leaderboard. You can send high-fives and hopefully, get high-fives back. You can have bragging rights that you got to ride with Allyson Felix, not to mention some of the songs were picked by Allyson Felix. Pretty cool. It’s even more exciting now that we’ve seen this background of what goes into these special rides. I feel like this was very exciting for Tunde. No wonder she’s excited about it.

Joining us is Jasmine Mills. Jasmine, how is it going?

Thank you.

We should probably say upfront if the last name sounds familiar. You are related somehow to John Mills.

He is my father. I know all about that man.

I am a little disappointed. I know you’re not supposed to critique the clothing that a person is wearing, but I am a little bummed that you don’t have anything on it that says shark. I thought there would be something on it that said shark.

I am sorry. I do have a Mommy Shark shirt, but it’s not my style. I am going to leave that to him.

It certainly becomes his style.

Every week, I see.

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I am so excited to talk to you. When in your journey did you find out about Peloton? Was it just because your dad bought Peloton, or had you heard about it before then?

I hadn’t heard about it until my parents bought their first bike and they got into it. I thought it was geeky. I was like, “What is this community? You guys are riding on a bike that literally goes nowhere.” You guys are online and there are all these videos. I saw they were meeting a bunch of cool people and going to the studio. I am naturally a more reserved person. I didn’t want to get out there like that, but it inspired me. When I was finally ready to start my weight loss journey, I was like, “This is where I am going to start. This is what I am going to do.”

It’s classic kid stuff, though. My parents were like, “It must be awful.”

Once I want to start losing weight, I was like, “It’s already paid for. I might as well hop on it.”

When you decided to do your weight loss journey, had you ever had experience with exercise before that? Were you a person that did sports when you were younger or was this your first foray?

I was never active. In my whole life, I’ve had issues with my weight and always wanted to lose weight. I never had the motivation to do it. There were times in my life where I would try to lose weight and go super hard. “I am going to work out every day, go running, and do all the stuff.” You burn yourself out and you’re like, “Forget it. I am going to go eat these cookies and ice cream.” You just end it.

I feel like we’re kindred spirits because that’s exactly my journey.

It was something about having my daughter that made me want to display a healthier lifestyle, especially her being a little girl to watch her mom having any kind of body image issues. It inspired me to finally do it this time.

Isn’t it funny how kids can do that to you? It’s so hard. You worry so much about them. You want to do everything that you can to make life as good for them as possible.

I wanted to make sure that I am around for her as long as I could be. Since I was already overweight, I had a lot of health issues when I was pregnant. I had high blood pressure and diabetes. I had to prick my finger three times a day. Once I had her, I was able to work out. I was like, “I need to get my health in check, not just for her but for me.” I need to make sure that I am here and healthy and around so that she can enjoy me like I am enjoying my parents and how I feel like they do that for us.

I am probably the thinnest I’ve been in a decade. Even when I was heavier than I was, I was not as heavy as I used to be. At one point, I was 260 and I am 4’3″.

He is a little taller than that.

That’s a lot of weight. I remember thinking about when I had days when I wanted to eat something junky. I was like, “If I have a heart attack and die, then they go back to my ex-wife and kids. I can’t do that to them.” I got to keep it.

Were you motivated to start anything while you were pregnant? When I was pregnant, I am speaking for myself, I know I was overwhelmed with being pregnant. There was no way for me to think about trying to lose weight then.

That wasn’t on my mind at all when I was pregnant. Plus, it was in the middle of COVID and I still had to go to work at a retirement community. I had to be there. At that time, they didn’t know anything about COVID. It was like, “It’s in the air.” It was crazy. No one could go to my doctor’s appointments with me. The last thing on my mind was working out. I was trying to make it. Once I had Zoe, my focus went to not just taking care of her but taking care of myself.

When you decided, “I am ready. I am going to do this,” tell us what steps you decided to take. Did you start small or with a whole bunch of things? What happened?

I started super small with my food first. I was a big milk drinker. It was my dad’s whole family. They’re big milk drinkers. If you go to any of their houses, they have gallons of milk. It could be my uncle who lives alone and he has 3 gallons of milk. We were heavy milk drinkers. I have Zoe to thank for this. After I had her, milk would make me feel like I was dying from the inside. I couldn’t drink it anymore.

Did it affect your stomach or it didn’t work for you?

I noticed it a month or two after I had her. As soon as I would drink milk, I legit had to throw up. It was bad. It was very strange because my whole life, I could drink milk like nobody’s business. It was crazy how having a child can change your body like that, but it helped me a lot because I didn’t realize that was one of the major reasons that I was overweight my whole life. I didn’t realize that the milk that I was drinking was causing a lot of issues for me. Once I cut that milk out and didn’t eat out as much and started to plan my meals, I started losing weight quickly. I did that for about 2 or 3 months. When I saw that my weight was starting to slow down, I was like, “It’s time for me to get moving.” That’s what I started doing.

Was the milk whole milk? Was it a lot more calories than you had ever thought about?

It’s that. Also, I don’t think people realize the amount of hormones that are in milk. If you’re drinking a lot of that for your whole life, that has a big effect on you. It’s not even the weight I lost. Even the shape of my body is different than I’ve never seen. I am not a scientist or doctor. It’s going based on my own experience. I am not a professional, but that had a big effect on me, the amount of milk I was drinking.

How much were you drinking a day?

A gallon every two days.

My son is a huge milk drinker and always has been. We go through 3 or 4 gallons a week. He is the only person in the house drinking them.

None of us touches it.

Before me and Zoe, I and him would have been friends and understand each other. It’s so funny because I feel like such a dork because I’ve been in the restaurant business since I was sixteen. To give you guys a heads-up, everybody in the restaurant that works there makes fun of people who are like, “I can’t have gluten and dairy.” It was like, “Okay.” Now, I am one of those annoying people. I was like, “How did I get here?”

When you took that first step, did you feel a lot of pressure to start down that road because your parents are into fitness? I feel like I would feel pressured to cross that line and know I was going to stay on it. I wouldn’t want to do it until I was 100%.

This might be him projecting his stress.

I didn’t feel any pressure. Honestly, I felt like my parents were like, “Jasmine is saying she is going to do this again.” They’ve known me my whole life. They know I get on these kicks and I’ll lose 10 or 15 pounds. All of a sudden, it’s over. I knew that I was focused this time. I knew something was different and I knew it was my daughter. I wasn’t trying to convince anybody that I was going to do it. I just did it. Once I made the choice to do it, that was it. There was nothing that was going to stop me from doing it.

That’s the best way to do it because you were doing it for yourself.

This time, I came at it with a different approach. The other times I did, it was like, “I can’t eat these things. I can’t have this.” It never worked for me because I’ve never liked people telling me what I can and cannot do. You can ask my parents. I hate that, whether it’s a diet, teacher or whoever. I knew going into this, I wanted to make a rule for myself that if I am craving for something, I am going to have a little bit of it. That has been my mantra. If I want fries, I’ll get a small fry and eat until I am satisfied. I don’t have to get the large fry with the ketchup and burger. That has made more sense for a lifetime because saying you’re not going to have bread for the rest of your life, are you serious? You’re going to have bread. If you make that rule that you’re not going to have it, once you break that rule, you feel like a failure. You have to give yourself permission to eat what you like. It’s a balance.

It’s like what Dr. Jenn always says, that when you take away something, you replace it with something. You didn’t come at it at a negative, “I can’t.” It’s a different mindset that led you to a healthier and happier place. You didn’t feel like you were fighting against yourself.

Before, when I would try to get healthier, it always felt like I was going from one extreme to the other. It was a shock and you can’t do things that way. Maybe some people can and it works for some, but it didn’t work for me. I needed to take smaller changes and do it that way.

You joined Peloton, the community. You’re one of us now. Where did you start? Did you start on the bike or tread?

When I first started working out with Peloton, it was on the bike. My leaderboard name is a bike name, RidinDirty89. I am mainly a tread girl. I love the tread. Rebecca Kennedy, if you are reading, I love you. Your hikes are life. I love the hikes. A forty-five-minute Rebecca Kennedy hike will get your life together.

Did you take the hike? I don’t know how recent it was because I took it on-demand. It was a hike where you were at 15% the entire time. It was all 45 minutes.

It was for 27 minutes you were at 15%. Halfway through, I was like, “This shit gets crazy. Does she know we’re still at 50%? I don’t think she knows.” It’s great because, after her hikes, you feel like you’ve accomplished something and you feel so strong. The next day, you feel so lean. I love her classes. I get anxious leading up to know I am going to do it. When I put it in my stack, I am like, “Do I want to put this in my stack?” After I do it, I am like, “I am a badass, I did this.”

Is she your favorite instructor? Is she your go-to?

She’s tied with Jess Sims. I am super jealous because I feel like Jess Sims and my dad are friends. I don’t talk to Jess Sims like that. I want to get on that wave.

You got to start talking to her. That’s what your dad does. He talks to everybody. Start making videos about her.

That’s what I got to do. I need to keep this camera that he has me set up with and make videos with Jess Sims.

Are you doing the bike at all anymore or are you just on the tread?

I am not doing the bike anymore, but it’s not like I don’t want to. I am avoiding that hurt on my ass. I haven’t ridden a bike in a year and that was painful. I was like, “I got to start all over. It’s hard to sit.” I promise I will get back, but I’ve started running on the tread now. They have this You Can Run Program on there. I’ve been doing that. After I finished that, I am going to start doing some running classes.

I’ve heard that the You Can Run Program is hard. People assume that it’s geared toward beginner runners, but as they get especially to that 7th to 8th week, it’s tough. Has it been your experience, too?

That had been my experience, too. It was easy at first. They had you running for a minute and then walking for a minute and then you’re like, “I got this. What is this?” You get to week six and they’re like, “Run until we say stop.” You’re like, “You need to be a little bit more here.” It is hard. The resting recoveries are jogs. That’s not a rest. I am still tired. That’s a lie. Tell me I am going to run the whole time.

I realized we’ve talked about your amazing weight loss, but we never said how much you lost. How much have you lost altogether?

I weigh myself on Wednesdays. I am at 97 pounds.

Is that 97 pounds lost?

Yes. I don’t weigh 97 pounds. That’s never going to happen ever.

I want to make it clear, so people knew.

I’ve lost 97 pounds.

That’s amazing.

Thank you. My goal was 100. I have three more pounds until my goal. Now that I am here, I am like, “I want to lose some more.” I am going to keep going. I am proud of myself that I finally did this. Wonderland is what they call it and I haven’t been here since I was seventeen years old. I am excited.

Is this maintenance from here on out? Will you continue working out? Do you have a plan?

Now, I am at maintenance. I am going to continue to work out and build on my fitness. I’ve started to do strength training. I am going to get on the bike and I’ve started to run. I am getting into exercising, which is hilarious because I wouldn’t have said that in 2020. It gets me. Now, I am on a schedule. As soon as I put Zoe to sleep, I go work out. It’s automatic. It’s my own little time to be myself and work on myself.

Did you struggle with that at first, like finding a time that worked and finding you-time? I know that’s hard for moms, especially new moms.

There is no finding time because I am always tired. If I say I am not going to work out because I am tired, that means I am never going to work out. I had to tell myself, “After Zoe goes to sleep, it doesn’t matter if she goes to sleep at 9:00 or 11:30, I am going to work out. It doesn’t matter how tired I am, I am going to work out.” You have to make that choice that you’re going to do it regardless. Also, make sure you give yourself rest days and don’t feel guilty about the rest days because when I first started working out, I would feel guilty like, “I didn’t work out today.” You need to give your body time to heal, too.

Especially at the beginning, a rest day feels like what it felt like when you weren’t working out. You’re worried like, “Is this the beginning of my slide?”

I still feel that way if I take a couple of days off. I am like, “I may never get back to it,” because it’s easy to stop.

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It’s easy for a day to turn into two, to turn into a week. All of a sudden, you’re like, “I haven’t worked out in a month.” It’s easy to get there. I understand the fear like, “I didn’t work out last night because the last You Can Run Class on Tuesday kicked my behind. My legs were so sore. I can’t do it today,” but then I felt guilty. I was like, “I didn’t work out last night,” but it was like, “Stop. You were in pain.” As soon as we get off, Zoe is with her dad right now, I am going to go and do the You Can Run Class.

You look excited about this.

Let’s hope that I make it.

You’ll make it. That’s the thing. It’s important to remember about any workout class that you do is you don’t have to do every single thing the instructor says. You can walk.

I feel guilty, though. I feel like I’m cheating. Do you look like you’re cheating?

I feel like it depends on your goals. Working with MetPro, for me, it’s all about like, “You have to do steady-state cardio.” Sometimes my heart rate is getting up too high. I need to slow down to keep my heart rate at a certain level. If your goal is to kick your own ass and fall into bed exhausted, then keep going. Sometimes people think that they fail if they slow down. It’s important for people to remember that.

I am one of those people. I feel like I am cheating, but I have to change my mindset. My mom tells me that, too. She is like, “As long as you keep moving, that’s all that matters. Don’t feel stressed if you can’t keep up with Rebecca Kennedy,” but it’s like, “I am going to keep up.”

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I had to come to terms with it because I take classes with Becs Gentry all the time. I don’t know how many classes you’ve taken with her. She thinks that jog is anything under seven. On my best day, I am not hitting seven. At a sprint, I am not hitting seven. Becs, it’s not happening.

Becs is insane. Her first You Can Run Class, I took hers. She had us running to a beep. I was like, “I am about to die. Can we put off some usher so I can forget that I can’t breathe?”

Was this like their Star Wars run?

They’re trying to get you used to cadence because part of perfecting your form is running at 180-cadence. That’s proven by science. It’s crazy because, in theory, it doesn’t matter how slow or fast you go. You can run into 180-cadence, but it doesn’t make sense because my feet go faster. If my feet go faster, then that means that I am going faster. I don’t believe that.

I don’t know if I am running because I am not counting my feet. I don’t know people who can do that. Paying attention to my foot turnover has made it easier to run at faster paces. I can go from 5 to 6 miles per hour and it doesn’t feel like I am working that much harder.

I am not a runner. How can you do 180-cadence whether you’re fast or slow? Do I not understand the meaning of the word cadence?

That was my point. I don’t understand it, either, but they say that you can.

I don’t know.

You ended up in the same place. We don’t know. We know that’s what they say.

It’s like, “Running is an optical illusion.”

Jasmine said it’s crazy because when I make a conscious effort to keep my feet not to do a long stride to keep my stride very short and keep my feet quick, then it is an easier effort than running a long stride because striding takes a lot out of you and your quads will be mad at you the next day.

I don’t think I could take a long stride because I’m too short. All of mine are like mouse runs.

It will be long for you. It’s all relative.

What’s your leaderboard name?

It’s RidinDirty89.

In my head, I immediately started singing that Weird Al song that’s a parody of the Ridin’ Dirty song. He did a parody called White & Nerdy. I am both of those things.

That’s why it stuck. I get it. He made it pop culture. He does that with everything.

To whoever is reading, if you would like to follow me, that would be awesome. I am trying to get more involved in the community, not as Run Lift And Live’s daughter, just as Jasmine.

That would be a good leaderboard name, JustJasmine. That’s very catchy.

Since we were talking about Becs, Jess Sims doesn’t understand what a rolling hill is. I don’t know if you’ve taken her classes. Rolling hills, they go up and down.

What did she do?

She just goes up.

I haven’t taken a lot of runs with Jess simply because she has done so many boot camps. She hasn’t done a lot of long runs and I’ve been on the 45-minute kick. I miss taking classes with her. She is wonderful. She cranks on more.

I feel like all of her walks or hikes, she loves incline.

You need to tell her, “This is not a walk. This is a hike, Jess.”

There was this one time I had taken Rebecca three days in a row and I was like, “I can’t do another hike. I am going to do something easy.” Jess had this twenty-minute hip hop walk and I was like, “Perfect. I am going to take something quick and easy. It’s just a walk.” She had us at 12%. I was like, “What are you doing?” Since I felt like I’m cheating, I went to 12%. If I would have known, I could have stayed flat.

I play games with myself in that way. For example, whenever I am doing something like that, I’ll be like, “I got to keep the incline at whatever she says, but I can back off the speed.” That’s the way I justify it. I’ll do whatever incline, but I can do the speed at a point that I am not dying. I am not going to follow her. That’s my goal, to stay upright.

Do you have any advice for people that are just starting?

Don’t listen to everybody, because as soon as people realize you’re losing weight, they want to give you advice, what you should and shouldn’t do. “You shouldn’t eat this.” They’ll start watching what you’re eating. Especially if you go into the office, these are annoying things. People are like, “Are you going to eat that?” “I am going to eat this.” Know that you’re on your journey and you don’t have to listen to what anybody else has to say. Make a decision that you’re going to do it and do it the way that’s comfortable for you. All I know is that what worked for me was making very small changes, working out when I was ready to do it, and doing things at my own pace. That’s the advice I would give to anybody reading.

It’s funny when you said about people watching what you are eating because, when I started doing the MetPro thing and preparing meals, I took it to work because I got to eat lunch. In fourteen years, I had not used the microwave because I would always eat a bag of beef jerky for lunch. People were like, “What are you doing at the microwave?”

They were concerned. They wanted to know if you knew how to use it and if you read the instructions. They wanted to make sure that things were safe.

They thought he was sick because they were like, “What is happening?” Each day, a different person would catch him at the microwave.

I would skulk into the kitchenette, hoping I wouldn’t get busted in the microwave. Now, they’re used to it. Thank you so much for joining us. Before we let you go, let people know where they can find you on social media if you would like to be found.

On Instagram, I am @JMills829. On Facebook, I am Jasmine Mills if you want to find me. Those are the only places I am at. I am not hip and cool. I am not on Snapchat or Twitter.

Snapchat has been around for so long. It’s not for young people anymore. They’ve got some new things we’ve never heard of yet.

Zoe will know. She has probably got her own account. They’re all on TikTok.

I am not on that, either. My parents were so much hipper than I am. I’ve seen my mom looking at TikTok videos. I don’t do any of that, Facebook and Instagram.

I only see a TikTok video if somebody shares it on Facebook. That’s how I see it. Thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

Thank you so much, everybody.

I guess that brings this episode to a close. Until next time, where can people find you?

People can find me on Facebook at They can find me on Twitter, Instagram, the bike and the tread @ClipOutCrystal.

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