Peloton Increases its Resistance…to Tariffs

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What we covered:

• Peloton sues the federal government.
• Peloton faces a lawsuit for wrongful termination—details on the case.
• Peloton+Respin study results reveal new insights into fitness trends and outcomes.
• PSNY hosts a special event focused on menopause and its impact on fitness.
• Reminder: No classes at PSNY on 2/8. Plan your fitness schedule accordingly.
• PSL introduces stacking English language classes to enhance accessibility for all.
• A look at Peloton’s lobbying expenditures and their influence on the fitness industry.
• TCO article highlights Peloton’s Perimenopause & Menopause meditation classes.
• Susie Chan stars in the documentary The Badwater 135, showcasing endurance and fitness.
• Tunde Oyeneyin featured in Essence Magazine, sharing her fitness journey and inspiration.
• Jess Sims interviews Pitbull, blending music and fitness in a unique conversation.
• John Foley’s Ernesta opens showrooms, expanding his post-Peloton ventures.
• TCO Top 5: Listener-recommended Peloton classes you won’t want to miss.
• This Week at Peloton: Highlights from the week’s fitness classes and events.
• TCO Radar: Must-try classes that are trending on The Clip Out.
• Celebrate MLK Day with new Peloton classes honoring his legacy.
• Jess King announces an exciting 9-ride journey—get ready to join in!
• Matty Maggiacomo hosts an exclusive invite-only class on 3/20.
• Peloton Birthdays: Celebrate Logan Aldridge (1/25) and Kendall Toole (1/28).

Transcript:

Crystal: Welcome to the Clip Out Podcast, episode 4 48. This is Crystal O’Keefe,

Tom: and this is Tom O’Keefe. So we went to the Fabulous Fox Theater over the weekend. That’s the official name of it.

Crystal: That is,

Tom: it’s not an editorial comment,

Crystal: although it is fabulous.

Tom: It is fabulous. It is beautiful. It’s a sister theater to.

The one in Detroit

Crystal: don’t hear us say a lot of great things about St. Louis, but I’ll tell you what, Fox is one of ’em.

Tom: The fox is [00:01:00] truly fabulous. It really is the beautiful theater. It’s one of those old school movie theaters that you’re just like, they showed movies in this place.

Crystal: I know, right? Lincoln looks like he might’ve gotten shot up in the Yes.

In the rafters up there.

Tom: He, he does. But, uh, we saw the outsiders.

Crystal: Mm-hmm.

Tom: Which, uh, you I liked, I didn’t love.

Crystal: It was really sad. I, I, I didn’t know the story. Yeah. I didn’t, I had never read the book. I’ve never watched the movie, never seen anything about it. So, I mean, I’ve heard people talk about it, right.

But I didn’t know what they were talking about, so, but yeah, that was my first experience.

Tom: Yeah. It is not a, uh. A feel good heartwarming story, that’s for sure.

Crystal: No. Yeah. No, it’s really sad.

Tom: But, uh, the staging was great.

Crystal: It was beautiful.

Tom: Like

Crystal: The the act, the action scenes. Yeah. Like they were really stunning.

Tom: Yeah. The way they

Crystal: really neat

Tom: when somebody would get punched and like take a, a serious blow to the head. The way they conveyed that was very unique and different like I’ve never seen before. And uh, yeah. It was very well done. I just, I’m like, I know it won the [00:02:00] Tony.

Crystal: Yeah.

Tom: But I just thought the songs were little,

Crystal: the songs were a little meh, but, uh, but, but I liked the songs from a first time per, uh.

Perspective because I, there was so much I didn’t know about the story and the songs did a lot of the telling of the story.

Tom: And I will say from an audio standpoint the sound was good in that you could understand what they were singing. Yes. So that helped. ’cause sometimes you just,

Crystal: sometimes you cannot.

And that drives me nuts.

Tom: But anyway, I’m just saying all this ’cause I thought it was funny ’cause

Crystal: yeah, I was like, where are we going with this?

Tom: You were. Looking at the program.

Crystal: Yeah.

Tom: And uh, we went with another couple that we’re friends with cousin Kathleen. And Kathleen was going through the program.

You were talking. She’s always asking where we’re going because we go on lots of trips. Right. And you’re like, well, where I want to go next

Crystal: is isolated

Tom: because I wanna look at the Northern Lights. And as she’s flipping through the program, there’s a big giant ad for an Iceland cruise. And I was like. God damn.

The algorithm has gotten so good.

Crystal: They can do it in print now.

Tom: Wow. [00:03:00] I’m a marketing guy, but even I’m impressed. How did you do that? That was crazy.

Crystal: That was funny.

Tom: So if you follow Crystal on the Facebook or the Instagram, maybe you’ll see. Northern light pictures in the next year or two.

Crystal: Let’s hope, man.

Yeah, if we could still travel. Yeah. Here’s open.

Tom: Do they accept refugees?

Crystal: I’m working on it.

Tom: What? You have a Icelandic set up in your Duolingo? So, uh, what pray, tell do you have in store for people this week?

Crystal: Well, I didn’t think to look at,

Tom: I didn’t think I was catching you off guard with that question.

Crystal: No,

Tom: it’s fair. I’ve asked it 447 other times.

Crystal: Yeah, you have, but you didn’t write my little thing this week.

Tom: Oh, well you, we were like, these are dumb. So I just stopped. You do it better than the ai.

Crystal: Okay, well then I’ll.

Tom: True of so many things.

Crystal: Aw, thank you. Okay. Let me do it the old school way [00:04:00] then

well, we are going to cover lots. We’ve got a couple, two lawsuits to cover today. Oh, uh, one Peloton is being sued for wrongful termination.

Tom: Oh.

Crystal: Two Peloton is the suing party and they are suing the federal government.

Tom: Wait, but we’re not allowed to talk about politics, so we can’t we can’t cover this.

Crystal: Oh, we’re gonna,

Tom: we can’t cover this story because, ’cause politics.

Crystal: Right. We also have the latest results of Peloton and resin. The study mm-hmm. That they did. That I was part of. Yeah. Really cool. And, uh, the results are stunning, so I can’t wait to talk about that. Okay. Uh, we also will talk about the event that Peloton had. We had, uh, one of our. One of our helper bees, Liz was at the event and we got all kinds of exclusive info about it.

Tom: Awesome.

Crystal: There are no classes coming up on the 8th of February in New York. We’re gonna talk about our theories of why that is. Okay? Because it, it’s a mystery at the moment.

Tom: Tiz a puzzlement.

Crystal: We’re gonna talk about why London has a [00:05:00] bunch of German instructors. Teaching English classes all on the same day.

Tom: Okay.

Crystal: We are going to recap Pelotons quarter four lobbying expenditures. Not to mention, uh,

but

Speaker 3: that’s more politics. We can’t do that.

Crystal: Whatever

Speaker 3: People get so upset. They’re the people that hate snowflakes are so snowflakey.

Crystal: Well, I think we got rid of ’em all. Oh, okay. ’cause no one’s complained in weeks, so, okay.

Tom: Are they. Given up.

Crystal: They’ve given up or, yeah, I don’t know. But either way. We also are gonna talk about all the things going on with the instructors who was featured most recently in a documentary who was in Essence Magazine and. Who got to interview Pit Bull. Very cool. Uh, not to mention John Foley making some waves.

Tom: Yeah,

Crystal: I gotta, I, I, I am excited to talk about this.

Tom: Okay.

Crystal: And we have lots of content to cover.

Tom: Okay. Well, before we get to all that shameless plugs, don’t forget we’re available on Apple Podcast, Spotify, iHeart tuning. Wherever you find a podcast, you can find us. While you are there, be sure and follow us. So you never miss an episode.

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Tom: I actually got a call at work yesterday. This is a new story about

Speaker 3: the show.

Tom: Well, no, it was from like

Speaker 3: That would be weird,

Tom: isn’t it? It was from iHeart, but the caller ID had it listed as Hollywood, California. And I was like, why is my, we have iHeart stations locally.

Yeah. So I get calls from them and I was like, why is iHeart calling? But it’s routing through Hollywood, California.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Tom: And it was some guy trying to pitch me. On podcast advertising on ihop and I just thought it was funny ’cause he was like, let me explain podcast to you. And I was like, like bitch, please.

I’m married to clip out Crystal.

Speaker 3: I’m sure that would impress,

Tom: I think I know a thing or two

Speaker 3: about podcasts.

Tom: So, um, so anyway, uh, that’s super helpful and greatly appreciated. Uh, you can also, if you would like to support the show with more than your ears or if you would just like even more of our delightful conversations.

You can do that over on [00:07:00] Patreon patreon.com/the clip out where for five bucks a month you get all sorts of bonus content. We still have people coming in.

Crystal: We do.

Tom: Which has been great.

Crystal: Yeah.

Tom: Um, oh, you get all sorts of bonus content. Maybe they were waiting to make sure that like. This didn’t last for like two weeks or something.

That’s fair. Yeah. Which is fair. But I mean, it’s been two

Crystal: years, but that’s okay.

Tom: That’s okay. We’re glad you’re here now.

Crystal: We’re very,

Tom: don’t shame them.

Crystal: I’m not silly.

Tom: You barely joined and now you’re silly. Now you’re shitting on them.

Speaker 3: No.

Tom: So, uh, you get early episodes, you get ad free episodes, and every week we record a bonus episode just talking about things we didn’t have time to get to in the show or just other stories that we find interesting that are health or health adjacent.

This week we’re gonna talk about how GLP ones are transforming restaurants. Restaurants are having to tweak their menus to account for the way people eat on GLP ones. We’ll get into that. Having more kids is linked to aging faster. So

Speaker 3: that tracks,

Tom: we’ll talk about that later. It’s, but don’t [00:08:00] worry, it’s better than you might think.

But it’s also kinda worse.

We’ll get into that over on the Patreon.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Tom: Also hotels. This is not really a health story, but I just found it interesting so I added it.

Crystal: Okay.

Tom: Hotels are getting rid of bathroom doors. Yeah, so we’ll talk about that. We know they

Crystal: never stayed in a hotel with you.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: They do not understand the importance.

No,

Tom: they, yeah. They better be stocking up on some air fresheners. Yeah. And then, and then also, which instructor? ’cause we still talk about Peloton stuff over there. Just to, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which instructor has teamed up with Taco Bell, which I think is hysterical.

Crystal: I’ve got comments,

Tom: I’ve got thoughts as well.

So, uh, we’ll talk about all that over on the Patreon. And then also don’t forget, you can find us on Facebook, facebook.com/the clip out while you’re there. I like the page, join the group and, uh, we’re on the YouTube where you can watch us waving, wherever the camera’s at, and then that’s right

Speaker 3: there.

Tom: Oh, okay. I don’t, yeah. And then, um, [00:09:00] uh oh. Uh. We got a newsletter@theclipout.com. You go over there, you sign up for that. You get a weekly thing with links and stuff, so there’s all that. Let’s dig in. Shall we?

Speaker 3: We

Crystal: shall.

Tom: in a move that I’m sure will upset no one in any way whatsoever. Peloton is suing the federal government over tariffs.

Crystal: Listen, tariffs are stupid. They’ve been proven to be stupid.

Tom: I mean, targeted tariffs.

Crystal: Yeah.

Tom: Have their place.

Crystal: They have their place, but what is happening right now is stupid.

Tom: Yeah. Yeah. It is definitely stupid

Crystal: and it changes daily.

Yeah. But anyway this complaint was filed January 7th and Peloton is arguing that the tariffs were un unlawfully imposed under a series of executive orders beginning in early 2025, contending that President Donald Trump relied on. International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which we weren’t [00:10:00] in the middle of and there was no need for.

Tom: Yeah. They’re trying to pretend like we had a crisis, but

Crystal: yeah.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: So, and just

Tom: to be clear, I mean, well to be fair, we do have a crisis

Crystal: to be so I wanna make sure people know that this is Peloton and pre-core. They both are suing, uh, as two separate, but. Under one division.

Tom: Right.

Crystal: Uh, entities. And then the other thing that I thought was interesting here is that the suit names US Customs and Border Protection.

Its Commissioner in the United States as defendants. There are several other. Companies that are doing this. Why’s

Tom: comp? I know Costco was one of the first, I I think it was the first to Sue. Could have been, because from my understanding, like if you didn’t sue by a certain date, like you. If this is struck down, you don’t get a refund and they’re trying to get the money back.

Crystal: Gotcha, gotcha. Well, I know that I believe it was Reebok was one of them and there was another [00:11:00] company, iFit that stood out. Uh, Reebok and iFit both have filed similar lawsuits and since they’re in the fitness industry, I wanted to make sure and call those out for sure. And they, they actually filed their lawsuits last year.

Yeah. So in 2025. So. It’s not as big of a impact on Peloton proper, but it does impact pre-core a lot more because they are importing equipment and apparel. But pre-core imports equipment from a wider range of countries. So they import from China, Mexico, France, Germany, Japan, South Korea, Sri Lanka, and Taiwan.

So that’s a lot more impactful to Precore than it is to Peloton. Gotcha. Peloton only imports from China, Taiwan, Thailand, and Vietnam.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: So,

Tom: and I do think a lot of the tariffs so far have been absorbed by companies, the bigger companies. ’cause they’re, they’re hoping that this is gonna get overturned and they’ll get it back.

But like, if they don’t, we’re

Crystal: all hoping it gets overturned.

Tom: Yeah.

Well,

Crystal: well, not all, not

Tom: all.

Crystal: I wish all [00:12:00]

that’d

Crystal: be nice.

Tom: But, uh, so if it. Doesn’t to get overturned. Like, you’re real, you think it’s bad now and they’re going,

Crystal: oh, it’s gonna be tremendously worse. Yeah. I, I’ve heard of so many people posting about things that they’ve bought for years that all of a sudden they’re having huge markups on Yeah.

Huge markups, uh, from other countries in particular.

Tom: So, speaking of lawsuits, yeah. Uh, Peloton is being sued for wrongful termination.

Crystal: So I did not read this, so I’m gonna let you talk about it. Oh, dear. Because I didn’t read about it, but it sounds, it sounds not good. And I would like to not make an ass of myself.

Tom: So Victor Didier is filing suit. He was a man, senior manager in NetSuite, which does like the coding and stuff behind the scenes. And according to the lawsuit one of Didier’s direct reports, a Jewish employee named Nadav. Julius raised concerns about safety following the October 7th.[00:13:00]

A terrorist attacks in Israel. And so Didia approves his work from home request and kicks it up the chain. And then, uh, the chief accounting officer, qui baig, I hope I’m saying that right.

Crystal: I think it’s qui. S. Well, I think it’s Saki. I think that is Saki because I, I worked with somebody who pronounced it that way.

Tom: Okay.

Crystal: But,

Tom: So apparently he said during during a staff meeting that he’s Muslim and that he was Muslim and in New York after nine 11. And he’s like, you haven’t seen what it, what It’s really like, so like, basically like, suck it. So the, the,

Crystal: so that guy then denied Julius’s

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: Remote work request.

Tom: Yes. And that and then the filing also alleges that Diddy and other Jewish employees were repeatedly blocked from forming an an employee resource group, and that management’s rationale according to the suit. Was that Jewish is not an ethnicity, it’s a [00:14:00] religion. Spoiler alert, it’s Bos. Uh, this, despite Peloton maintaining ERGs for black groups.

Latino groups. Asian groups, and so, um, as

Crystal: well as veterans.

Tom: Yeah. And so then just to make this even more problematic, when Didier was out on. Paternal leave.

Crystal: So he was out after he had a child?

Tom: Yeah. So his wife had a child and he was out on FMLA and and while he was out, Peloton let him go. And so they, Peloton says it’s part of just their overall restructuring that they had been doing.

Crystal: Mm-hmm.

Tom: But, uh, the optics on it are not good.

Crystal: Mm-hmm. It’s

Tom: not good at all.

Crystal: There’s a couple things you did not mention here. Yeah. Uh, whenever. So when Beg denied Julius’s remote request, he allowed J non-Jewish employees to work from home. So just to recap, Julius was denied. He was Jewish, non-Jewish [00:15:00] people were allowed to stay home.

In addition to that, um, after they let the guy go while he was on paternity leave, the manager who stood up for his employee yeah. The other guy beg, BAIG. He faced no discipline and in fact

Tom: got promoted.

Crystal: Got promoted.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: Oh, that’s a bad look guys.

Tom: It is a bad look. I mean there are certainly times when that’s just how things map out and it’s completely coincidental, but like I think it.

Taking, all we know is what’s in this article.

Crystal: Yeah, that’s all we can tell

Tom: you. And but like at first blush, it does seem damning.

Crystal: It, it,

Tom: no, that being said, at first blush, Daniel McKenna’s accusations seem damning.

Crystal: That is true.

Tom: So

Crystal: that is true.

Tom: You know, that you gotta listen to both sides, but,

Crystal: uh, you do.

That is a very good point.

Tom: But this does not paint a rosy picture. But of course, again, it’s a lawsuit. It’s not their job to paint the rosy picture. It’s their job to do the exact opposite. [00:16:00] So,

Crystal: well, I’d also like to point out there are seven claims against Peloton and Beg individually. So there’s the FMLA interference.

Mm-hmm. FMLA, retaliation and discrimination under federal civil rights law, and New York City human rights law. Uh, Didia is also se seeking back pay. Compensatory and punitive damages and attorney’s fees. Of course, we all know that’s gonna be tough to do. Uh, Peloton has not yet filed a response, so nothing has happened yet, but of course we will tell you when it does.

Tom: back to non-law news. Normally the lawsuits are smaller and they go.

Crystal: Down

Tom: at the bottom, but both of these were like, oh, they should probably kick off the show. Yeah,

Crystal: they’re pretty, pretty large.

Tom: So Peloton and re spin did their big giant study.

The results are n and congrats ladies. They have cured menopause. Is that what we’re gonna find out?

Crystal: No.[00:17:00]

Um, no, but here’s the, here’s the cool part, this collaboration, the idea was to have a eight week program where you’re focusing on. Exercise and several protocol changes to improve your symptoms. The way that the study was measured they had women who were between the ages of 40 to 65, and who identified as experiencing perimenopause or menopause symptoms.

And of course just life. And then they took all of their symptoms. Mm-hmm. And they rated those symptoms. Okay. Then, then they exercised and they also did several other protocol changes depending on what their symptoms were. The press study. Part of it, of part of what happens at Respin when you join it, which can be done outside of the study, just to be clear.

Okay. Is you, they give you a protocol based on your symptoms. So let’s say, um, you are gaining weight, uh, that is a very common one. One of the [00:18:00] protocols is to eat a Mediterranean diet and they will give you an example of what that is, and you can have a coach and they can help you eat like that. So then you tracked your.

Adherence to the protocol. Mm-hmm. It was not about perfection, it was just like, just track what you can.

Tom: Right.

Crystal: 30 days in, they then did a check-in, how are your symptoms? Now you’ve been following the protocol and then 60 days in, how are your symptoms now? And 84% of the women who were part of this. Saw, saw relief in their symptoms.

They saw improvements and they, and the main improvements were more energy and not as many. Let’s see. Let me get this right. 57% improvement in sweating. 50, 50% lessening and worse PMS. And that was the very specific thing. But they also had better sleep, less time spent sitting overall feelings of strength and capabilities.

So that’s very compelling. [00:19:00]

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Crystal: 84.3% of the participants, and this was like a few hundred people. This wasn’t like two.

Speaker 3: Right.

Crystal: You know? So I thought this was very cool. Obviously, there’s a lot of things that we still need to work on, studying how women respond to things as opposed to just men would be a great place to start.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: But hey, we’ve got bigger fish to fry today.

Tom: Yeah, we definitely got a fish fry going on. Uh, and on the heels of that, PSNY hosted a menopause event with resin.

Crystal: Yeah. So it was kind of to celebrate the end mm-hmm. Of the eight week study.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: And, uh, Susie Chan was there, uh, she came from London to do a special run.

Christine did a special, biking class. Both of them were sprint interval. That is important because Susie’s class was the very first sprint interval training on the tread, first time it’s ever happened. Okay. And, uh, that was a very exciting, people were invited who had participated in [00:20:00] the press study with Respin.

And so it was a special group of ladies that was there. Not to mention the, all of the Respin coaches were there and, uh, they also did like, a question and answer session with the resin coaches and Christine and Susie. So people got to learn a lot. And as part of that, we learned that Peloton is going to be pushing out more classes.

Like, Hey, this was successful.

Speaker 3: Yeah,

Crystal: you guys at home love it. So we’re gonna do more. One of the things you’re gonna see are sprint interval training classes on the tread. Woo. I already had somebody ask me when are they gonna do it for the row? I don’t know. I’m just excited. It’s on the track.

Tom: Calm down.

Well, I mean, you. Pretty much all the classes on the row are set.

Crystal: No, no, no, we’re not doing that.

Tom: No. And the little chair, I guess that’s true for the bike

Crystal: too. I was gonna say. Yeah. Um, and then another thing that Peloton announced during this conversation was there’s also gonna be jump training.

Plyometrics are huge for bone density growth. Um, and so, or bone density protection [00:21:00] rather. Yeah. And also bone growth. And so Peloton is gonna be doing jump trainings. We’re gonna be seeing that soon.

Tom: Peloton is gonna make you jump, jump.

Crystal: Well, women, there’s

Tom: a new app,

Crystal: appar of this age are gonna know

Tom: there’s a new apparel drop and all the leggings are backwards.

If you were under 45, you have no idea what I’m talking about right now.

Crystal: So, uh, and in general we’re gonna see more of these classes like, so that’s exciting. And, uh, I am hoping we are gonna see the, uh, sprint interval training for the tread. Programmed on a more regular basis. We will talk about that a little bit more whenever we get to the TCO top five, but I just have to say what an amazing first class Susie did.

And if you’re used to sprint interval training, I just wanna point out that these were longer intervals. You had like easy for a minute and then you had. Moderate for a minute and then you did 30 seconds of hard, which doesn’t sound like when you’re using the pace targets on the tread, that may not [00:22:00] sound terrible.

But then when by the time you get to that 30 seconds, you’ve already been running pretty good for two minutes. Yeah, so that’s a big chunk to then increase. And the last interval, ’cause there were five of them, the last interval, we then went up to very hard. I never hit Max on those. But that was intentional because you what, there were longer intervals.

If you were doing max, you would wanna do shorter intervals and you’d wanna have longer rest periods. So, it was just really exciting to be able to do and like, follow the training I’ve wanted to follow in real time. Yeah. Instead of just making up my own sprints. Right. While it, while I happen to be taking a class with a Peloton instructor.

Tom: Do adjustments and hope you got it right.

Crystal: Yes.

Tom: Yeah.

We have a Peloton Mystery. PSNY has no classes scheduled for Sunday, February 8th. Now. Because I’m very sportsy. I will point out

Crystal: you’re so sportsy

Tom: That is Super Bowl Sunday. So do they have something super bullish [00:23:00] planned? Like are they actually gonna be at the actual Super Bowl and they don’t have the bandwidth or something?

Crystal: I don’t know. I will also point out that I believe it was Oliver Long messaged me and said, Hey, it’s very interesting to me that Hannah Franken. In the United States, this close to the Super Bowl, and she’s apparently a big football fan. You know, I don’t pay attention to any of it. Yeah, I didn’t even know when it was.

Now I will also say she has a class taught that day that on the schedule, and now I guess that’s gone. Because now there’s no classes, so I’m really

confused.

Tom: Yeah, she comes all the way over here and they’re like, nah, nevermind.

Crystal: So I don’t know, maybe, maybe something’s gonna happen. Maybe it has nothing to do with Hannah.

I don’t know. And nobody seems to have any real details on this. Yeah. So Pelotons actually doing a good job at keeping a secret congrats.

Tom: Or maybe they just don’t know either.

Crystal: I, I, uh, I have to say one thing we’ve gotta talk about in the news. Tom, uh, instructors, when we get there, [00:24:00] talk about keeping secrets.

It’s crazy. So please help me remember when we get there.

Tom: Okay. I’ll do my best.

Crystal: Okay.

Tom: But no promises.

I

Crystal: know.

Tom: Okay. PSL on the other hand is stacking it’s English language classes.

Crystal: Yeah, it’s really interesting. I don’t know, maybe this means nothing. Maybe this has happened several times before. We’ve just never noticed it.

But we couldn’t help but notice that, uh, coming up pretty soon, there is a day where. London on the seventh of this coming, I think it’s coming up in February. There are three classes in a row. One taught by Benny, one taught by Marcel, and then one taught by Charlotte, where they’re all English classes.

They all say English. And it’s just interesting because we’ve never noticed that many classes stack together like that in one day.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Crystal: So it’s just like, is this purposeful? Is this a thing we’re gonna start seeing like they’re gonna. Have these live classes once a month, let’s just say, or something like that.

Tom: Right?

Crystal: Don’t know. But I think it’s fascinating.

Tom: So, uh, we have [00:25:00] a quick look at. How Peloton is spending its lobbying dollars.

Crystal: Yeah. So this past quarter, because we see this quarterly. Mm-hmm. So this was the last quarter of 2025. They spent $60,000 towards lobbying and which

Tom: in the grand scheme of things is nothing.

Crystal: It absolutely is nothing. Yeah. And you, I guess as part of. Lobbying and being a publicly traded company, you have to disclose these things. You have to say what it is that you do. Right. So they supported I’m sorry. They lobbied in support of legislation that allowed American taxpayers a medical care tax deduction for up to a thousand dollars of qualified sports and fitness.

That was part of that. Fit Act. Mm-hmm. PHIT. And it was reintroduced recently. It had elements that were included in HR one during the one big beautiful bill lobbying in support of legislation allowed American taxpayer payers a medical tax deduction for up to a thousand dollars. Let’s see. They also [00:26:00] had renew support of renewing section one 70 four’s, domestic r and d tax deduction and return to EBITDA accounting standard versus EBIT in HR one.

Basically just how it’s done accounting wise. I don’t know why that’s a big deal to them. General interest in new global. Reciprocal tariffs and expansions. That would include steel, aluminum, electronics and critical minerals, tariff, general interest in new global reciprocal tariffs on another section.

And, um, I think that is all so interesting.

Tom: Would you like another interesting thing in this article?

Crystal: Sure.

Tom: It lists the sales people have made of stock and how much they’ve made.

Crystal: Yeah.

Tom: And uh, on that list is s Squib Baig, who was in our lawsuit article. Ah, I find it interesting. He sold 119 shares for a total of just shy of $900,000.

So,

Crystal: well, I would like [00:27:00] to also say he’s not just a general guy,

Tom: right?

Crystal: He’s the chief accounting officer.

Tom: Yeah. He’s pretty high up if he’s has to.

Crystal: He’s in the C-suite.

Tom: Yeah. So

Crystal: that’s, that’s not. Insignificant.

Tom: No, not at all. So,

Crystal: Boy, that really changes perspective. It adds some interesting perspective to that when you know that information.

Tom: Some nuance.

Crystal: Yes.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: Yeah.

Tom: So I just, as I was scrolling, I saw that name popped up, spelled differently, by the way, than it was in that article.

Crystal: Nope. That’s the same.

Tom: Is it?

Crystal: Well, I think there’s a U above actually.

Tom: Yeah. Like in the article was, in

Crystal: the article, it had

Tom: apel different, and I’m sure the. Tax filings or SEC filings are the correct way to spell it. But but yeah,

Crystal: doesn’t mean this article got it right though.

Tom: No, that’s fair.

I guess I probably should have included this in the other batch of stuff, but the. The clip out has an article spotlighting, uh, per perimenopause and menopause meditation classes. Putting the pause in menopause.

Crystal: Yeah. But it’s not just that. So I’m actually glad that you split this out because, uh, one of our, I know what

Tom: I was doing,

Crystal: [00:28:00] helper Bees, Lisa Warner, she is also certified in personal training.

It’s, it’s not NASM, I can’t remember what her certifications are. They’re different.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Crystal: But she is also a coach. She’s also. Going to be running the Great World Race this year. And uh, so that’s Seven Marathons Wolf seven days. Yeah. Yeah, she’s doing that. We met her whenever we were there supporting Becks.

And, uh, anyway she wanted to put together a series. She’s been having a lot of people ask her questions as a coach, like, how can I take advantage of this? How can I use Pelotons offerings to like really. Benefit all of the different symptoms I’m having from perimenopause. And what she has found from those conversations is there’s a lot of people that don’t understand necessarily the basics about it.

So this series, it’s the first article in what will be a series of articles. Mm-hmm. That is all about how to use the Peloton programming to really get the most out of it for your perimenopause or menopausal symptoms. And meditation was the [00:29:00] first step. And Lisa wrote a great article here that gives kind of.

A breakdown of all the benefits that you get from meditation specific to perimenopause and menopausal symptoms and how to take advantage of them. It’s a great article.

Tom: Awesome. Well, that’s over at the website. Or if you sign up for a newsletter, it’ll be in your links. Oh, the week. Coming up after this, we got instructors in the news.

We’re gonna talk about Susie Chan being featured in a documentary, Tunde popping up in a major publication, and of course, something that I was supposed to remind Crystal about that I’ve already forgotten. So, won’t that be fun? We’ll all find out together what it is I was supposed to remember right after this.

Tom: before I forget, what was I supposed to remember?

Crystal: Okay, so a while back I had said that I felt like Tunde was the best secret keeper.

Tom: Yes.

Crystal: Of all of the Peloton instructors. I

Tom: recall,

Crystal: well, if you recall even further [00:30:00] back than that, Matt Wilber’s managed to have a whole baby without a lot of people knowing.

Tom: Well, he didn’t, but someone close to him did.

Crystal: I mean, he had. He had, he played

Tom: a role.

Crystal: Yeah, but he didn’t tell anybody so, so like, imagine my surprise when I found out that there’s an instructor that made all of that look pale in comparison. And that would be Alex Roski who had a child last year, a whole year ago, and nobody knew.

So

Speaker 3: hopefully

Tom: he knew

Crystal: you get well. Yeah. Okay. Nobody, nobody that was. In the crowd. Gotcha. Us taking the classes. Did not know if you’re

Tom: a player. Sometimes those ladies surprise you just pop up on your door.

Crystal: So, well, first of all, congrats yeah. To Alex and his family, but second of all. Hats off to you, sir.

That is impressive to keep that large of a secret. I mean, it’s easier when you’re a boy. I will, that is true. I’ll grant you that. That is true. But, uh, I have nominated him. You know how Nikki does the superlatives [00:31:00] every year? Yes. I have nominated him for Best Secret Keeper.

Tom: Tightest lips.

Crystal: Yeah. I mean, that is Tom.

That is uh, that is some,

Tom: but you made it that way.

Crystal: You, you did. You did. I don know what you’re talking

Tom: about.

Crystal: So, I am impressed that is quite the long term to keep that kind of secret.

Tom: Yes, it is. So Susie Chan getting into the listed topics, Susie Chan is featured in the documentary, the Badwater 1 35.

Crystal: Yes. And uh, she is featured in it. I believe she was support for one of the runners. This is not the year she ran it.

Tom: Okay.

Crystal: But, um, she was support for one of the runners and this documentary is now on digital. Uh, you can find it by Googling it. But I’m really excited to watch it. I love documentaries like this.

It gets me so jazzed up to like go do some major thing. This is usually when I sign up for a race after one of

Tom: these. Yeah, I was get nervous. And you watch one of these because you, you go where? I think I could do bad water.

Crystal: No, I’m, I’m

Tom: like,

Crystal: what? I’m not doing bad water. I can’t handle going to [00:32:00] Florida in June, so I’m thinking I’m not built to do bad water.

Tom: I’m like, even if you could do bad water, I don’t think I could handle you doing bad water.

Crystal: 135 miles.

Tom: I’m not equipped.

Crystal: No I’m not there. But, uh, how cool is this though? And, uh, so anyway, check it out. Just wanna make sure people knew about that. Yeah. I’m excited to watch.

Tom: Uh, Tunde is featured in Essence Magazine.

Crystal: Yeah. They did a big feature on not only Tunde, but also her joining the Tyler Perry, um, show called Sistas. Mm-hmm. And it’s in its 10th season. And so they did a big feature about that and like her involvement in Peloton and the whole thing. Yeah. The whole shebang. So that’s really cool.

Tom: Yeah. That’s a huge publication.

Crystal: It is not her first time in Essence Magazine, and I’m sure it won’t be the last Yeah. She’s an ass kicking woman. She’s gonna. Take the world over.

Tom: Uh, Jess Sims got to interview Pit Bull. Yeah. As a part of her ESPN Sportsy stuff.

Crystal: Yeah. I just thought this was so cool. She was just talking to Pit Bull like it was another day.

Tom: Well, it is for her. [00:33:00]

Crystal: I know. But it’s crazy. It’s just, it’s like when you see worlds like this collide, it’s like a little brain breaking. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It’s like, that’s just Justin Sims casually interviewing pit bull.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: What

Tom: It happens. I casually got made fun of by Dave Grohl back in my radio days.

Crystal: You, you did. I wasn’t there though.

Tom: No. So, well, we hadn’t met yet. You like 10 at the

Crystal: time, but the time that you talked to Brett Michaels on the phone who I know is problematic now, but, but at any time, any point or any rate, the day that you did, like, I couldn’t help but just stare at you like I was like, you’re I’m hearing you talk to Brett, mic like Brett Michaels is on the other end of that vote.

Like Brent

Tom: Michaels just. Called your phone. What?

Crystal: And you were just like, Hey, Brett, Michaels, what up? And I was like,

Tom: make it, make it quick. I’m on a trip with my wife.

Crystal: I was like, um, can I talk to him?

Tom: I was like, God, no. My word.

Crystal: I just wanna say hi.

Tom: Yeah, I bet you do. [00:34:00] Like, oh my word. Although I’ve worked with Brett Michaels a few times over the years in radio and then booking concerts and stuff.

He’s always been like. The nicest guy in the world.

Crystal: I’m always so surprised when I hear that like people who are in musicians and then they also have like a good business head, like he was, yeah, he’s, he’s a really. He’s smart from a business perspective. And I’m not saying that like I’m shocked that anybody could be.

It’s just typically artist people aren’t, right.

Tom: It’s, yeah. Typically you, your brain works one of two ways.

Crystal: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so not only is he talented from a musician standpoint, but he’s also like. He’s smart. He’s like, oh, I get why you’re doing, making the choices you’re making. Right. And it’s just, it’s neat to hear that side of things.

Tom: Yeah. He wanted to hear my marketing plan and by the time I got to the end he’s like, why isn’t everyone doing this?

Crystal: Yeah. He was like, I love this. I love, I love this so much. And I was like, okay. Wait. So Michael’s is complimenting my husband.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: Can I please talk to him?

Tom: Maybe you should talk to me. [00:35:00] I’m the one that just got, but Okay.

Crystal: I get to talk to you all the time.

Tom: Yeah. The novelty of that is very shortlived.

Tom: Okay. I’m just gonna say this is not other connected fitness.

Crystal: It is not at all,

Tom: but I have no idea where to put this.

Crystal: I don’t know where you put this.

Tom: And so I just tagged it as other connected fitness because it’s John Foley and he kind of invented the reason we’re all here. So.

Crystal: Hats off to John. I almost got teary when you said that. I miss those days so much. I Ms. John Foley. I miss normalcy and niceness.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: Oh my God.

Tom: So, John Foley, after stepping down as CEO of Peloton, started a new company.

’cause that’s what he does. It’s called Ernesto, which, uh, sounds like a, a sugar supplement. That would give you the shits, but it’s not. I always thought, sorry if you’re listening to this John Foley, I, uh, sorry. But, uh, but kind of, kind of does, but, uh, I

Crystal: always thought it sounded [00:36:00] like, like a drug that men might need to take at a certain age.

Oh, I see.

Tom: I’m also like, Ernesto saves Christmas. You know what I mean? Vern?

Crystal: Mm.

Tom: Uh, so Ernesto, yeah. Now that we’ve made fun of his company, God, I hope he is not listening. If he is, I guess we’ll hear about it, but, uh, I’m sure he doesn’t, he probably the last thing he wants to do is hear about anything Peloton.

Crystal: It’s honestly understandable.

Tom: Yeah. I don’t, I don’t blame

him.

Crystal: I don’t either.

Tom: Uh, so, uh, so his company. It’s like, uh, what is it? Like Netflix for rugs or something?

Crystal: Well, yeah. And I mean, they make these like custom rugs. Yeah. But they’re like, they’re supposedly affordable. Yeah. And, and you can make them for like any room in your home.

And I think the idea is that it’s like inexpensive enough that you can. Updating them, but I honestly don’t know much about it. Yeah, because

Tom: John Swing by.

Crystal: Yeah. John, I’ll

Tom: talk to you about it.

Crystal: I offered to have him on the show. Yeah, I did. And

Tom: he was like, I don’t want,

Crystal: he was,

Tom: I don’t want my name next to Peloton [00:37:00] in,

Crystal: I don’t think he wants to answer questions.

Yeah. Which is, I mean, I’d be easy on John. Yeah. I mean, softball, like, love the guy.

Tom: Tell us about the rugs.

Crystal: Yeah. That’s, honestly, that is what I would do. Do they also, also, I do wanna

Tom: know about, are these two peas? What are we doing? Um, ’cause I could use two or three of those.

Crystal: No, you can’t.

Tom: But today I’m a redhead.

Crystal: That would be weird.

Tom: It would be weird. Suddenly

Crystal: I don’t, I don’t care. Dunno if I could do that.

Tom: Yeah.

Crystal: 12 years in. If you had started at the beginning, maybe, you know?

Tom: No, that’s too much work.

Crystal: Yeah.

Tom: So

Crystal: I hear that as a woman who does a lot.

Tom: Yeah. So

Crystal: anyway,

Tom: the point of all this, and there is one,

Crystal: are you sure?

Tom: Yeah. They are opening showrooms.

Crystal: Yeah. So they just opened their first Midwest store in Oakland County, wherever that is. And uh, I just. It’s in downtown Birmingham. My bad.

Tom: Okay.

Crystal: I thought that was really interesting that we’re starting like, because it’s funny how Peloton started off. By opening showrooms and

Tom: if you wanna meet John Foley, he might be at that showroom.

He

Crystal: [00:38:00] might

Tom: be, he showed up at the Peloton showroom and just sold people bikes. At the beginning he

Crystal: was, that’s right. Yeah. Before people really knew what a big deal he was. Yeah. You know? Yeah. ‘

Tom: cause he wasn’t yet.

Crystal: I know, but

Tom: I mean not he was, he’d been CEO of these

Crystal: companies, but like, but they didn’t know that he was the one had started it.

Right. Necessarily. It

Tom: was just some dude selling bikes in the mall. Yeah.

Crystal: God.

Tom: So if you live in the area and you wanna see what an Ernesto is and uh, go to camp with Ernesto,

we recommend that.

Crystal: Yeah. And let us know. Let us know exactly what they do. Yeah. So we can cover it better.

Tom: Coming up after this, uh, we’re gonna talk content. We got the TCO top five this week at Peloton. And, uh, talk about the new MLK day classes. So stick around.

Tom: it is time for the TCO top five. You have told us the favorite classes and if you have other favorites, you are wrong and we will now tell you how wrong you are. Number one, your [00:39:00]favorite meditation class.

Crystal: Yes. So it’s the 10 Minute Martin Luther King Jr. Meditation that was taught by Chelsea Jackson Roberts. And, uh, she also had Tunde there as a special guest. It was a 10 minute class and it dropped on. The 19th Joe Vogue noted she was about to get on two day’s ride and she decided, I’m gonna start with this meditation.

And, uh, she gave it a wow Wow, wow. Rating only three wows suggesting that anyone with a sense of human spirit should do this meditation asap. Chelsea knocked it outta the park ballpark by quoting a few simple words.

Tom: So it’ll be good for about 65% of you. Yeah. Okay. Uh, number two, your favorite yoga flow.

Crystal: Favorite yoga flow. Okay, so this is Zacharia’s first time in the TCO top five.

Tom: Congratulations. Zacharias. Your plaque is in route.

Crystal: This dropped on the 13th or the 14th of uh, January at midnight. It’s a 20 minute yoga flow.[00:40:00] Elizabeth was the helper Bee who wrote the article this week and she nominated this class and she had a lot to say about it.

She is. In love with Zacharias. She’s, she nominated this surprisingly sweaty 20 minutes because it felt great and it’s very accessible. Now, Zacharias is known for his difficulty in his yoga class. Like they are not for beginners. Okay. But this particular class was more accessible. So like if you’ve been wanting to try this class and maybe you’re feeling a little intimidated, this is the one to take.

He did a lot of focusing on single leg balances, and she says in his own special way, which I loved. Even in a shorter class, he expertly combines fluidity with precision and I felt a little bit of Ross vibes in the queuing, which is a good thing in my opinion. I also like that Zacharia’s speaking cadence aligns with the movements once the flow picks a pace towards the end.

That’s awesome.

Tom: No,

Crystal: she’s also very excited about his kettlebell flows. Come on Peloton. Let’s announce ’em.

Tom: Uh, number three, your favorite strength [00:41:00] class.

Crystal: This is the 10 minute Glutes and Legs strength taught by Robin Arza. It’s quote unquote the one with the bench. It has been hitting our, it’s already been in the TCO top five twice.

And Sarah Lester nominated the saying it. She loved using the bench and it really increased the challenge of the workout. She’s done the class twice already and planning on repeating it more. And she also hopes they keep producing classes with the bench, and we agree.

Tom: Okay, uh, number four, your favorite recovery ride.

Crystal: Christian Vanderbilt taught a 45 minute power zone recovery ride, and Karen Smith loved it. It had mostly zone one and a little two. Uh, she loved longer recovery rides and his encouragement about going slow, not going hard, it’s always great to hear. And his music selection was a chef’s kiss. Also this is kind of a.

4.5, if you will,

Tom: sneaking one in

Crystal: Christine Herber. Uh, Hebert Tia nominated Christine deco’s 30 minute reflection ride from January 5th because her rides, her words. Really spoke to [00:42:00] Christine. She’s been in a very rough patch, so wanted to give a shout out to her and hope she’s doing okay.

Tom: And finally, number five.

It’s You are Unst, stackable, and it’s a run.

Crystal: It’s a run, and it was taught by Susie Chan. It’s the first ever sprint interval training run during the Respin and Peloton press study capstone on January 17th. Liz was there. We’ve got a whole firsthand account of that day. Lauren pta, Hobbes. She shared with us her Strava, Strava caption, and it said so, so good.

Definitely bookmarked and ready to run. On repeat. I felt powerful. Running at speeds I usually shy away from, and I also ran considerably more of it, only walking the first minute of the recovery place. I. Recovery pace. The playlist was perfect for the target audience too. Susie Chan more of these please.

I will agree. And anybody that plays Alanis, you ought to know in the middle of a freaking, you know, sprint. I will take it. Like you need that anger. Like we have, [00:43:00] Susie called it the menopause rage. Ah, she said just a little bit. You know, if you know, you know, if you know, you know, and if you’re taking this class because you want it to help you with your symptoms, you know.

You know,

Tom: Taking a look at this week at Peloton, uh, we’ve got rock yoga flow,

Crystal: we do have rock yoga flow. There are two different classes coming up that are gonna be rock yoga. One is with Chelsea on January 25th at 9:30 AM The second is a rock flow with rock yoga flow with Mariana. That is also on the 25th at noon

Tom: We also have a long run with Susie.

Crystal: Yeah. It’s a new 60 minute outdoor session that’s gonna be dropping on the 21st.

It’s gonna be dropping on demand.

Tom: There are new full body stretches.

Crystal: There are, there’s three of them. One with Andy, Ben, and Logan. Those drop on the 19th and 23rd,

Tom: and we also have a progressive push ride.

Crystal: Yeah. Uh, Robin is gonna be teaching this one. It’s gonna be live on [00:44:00] January 20th, so it’s already out for the week.

Tom: And then we also have classes that, uh, the helper bees have spotted mm-hmm. That, uh, are on our radar that we think should be on your radar. We have Rebecca’s hit lit.

Crystal: Hi lit.

Tom: Hi lit. Sorry. There are hidden, hidden hills.

Crystal: Uh, yeah, this is week two and uh, we have an article that explains what this program’s all about if you haven’t taken it yet.

And we also have all of her trackers that are in there. And the second week of the tracker. Just wanna point out, there was a little bit of a snafu, I guess, when Rebecca put it together. So she had like. She missed a set of lunges and or yeah, she had a set of lunges that weren’t there and forgot to put in an AMRAP session that wasn’t there.

So, or that was there rather. So the tracker’s a little bit off, but you get the point. And, uh, people are just really loving this program.

Tom: If you find yourself just laying on your [00:45:00] tread. You can use Kirsten’s Learn to Run program to help you.

Crystal: You can, they, uh, are all going to be walk, run classes and uh, it’s gonna be three week program and it is out now. So you can find it under programs if you’re looking for Rebecca’s highlight by the way, under collections so that you can actually get to them.

Tom: Callie Gullickson is getting baby ready. That’s what this says. I don’t know what that means.

Crystal: She’s about to have a baby.

Tom: I know, but I think she’s

Crystal: already ready. It doesn’t matter. The class is already out. So like he took too long.

Tom: Logan’s got a power hour.

Crystal: He does power 60 classes coming up, and it’s also already out.

Tom: And, uh, if you’ve been missing, Leanne, she’s, she had a class banked for you that’s coming up.

Crystal: Yeah, a premiere that dropped on 1 21.

Tom: And Matt has a 20 minute beginner ride for people.

Crystal: Yeah. Specifically to kind of learn the basics of what the bike is about. They like to drop these in January, so that makes sense. And if you’re new to cycling, it’s a perfect [00:46:00] place to learn it.

Tom: And PSL has a community led run.

Crystal: Yep.

They’re first outdoor run of this year is on PSL, and it is going to be. On the 25th,

Tom: We recently celebrated Martin Luther King Day and Peloton celebrated with three new classes.

Crystal: They did, they dropped, uh, three new classes. They still have a collection that you can take so you don’t have to just do those three classes. But, uh, there was a ride and there was also a yoga and there was a meditation, all amazing classes.

Tom: And, uh, Jess King has announced a nine ride journey.

Crystal: Listen, I’ll be honest, I’m sorry if you’re a just king fan. This makes no fucking sense to me because here’s the deal, sweat steady. Is the name of a kind of class that she’s always taught. And the whole point of it is that you, it’s steady for 45 minutes, right?

Tom: Right.

Crystal: Well now it’s a nine ride training series and it builds, it’s [00:47:00] progressive. But I’m like, but how? Because like you’re supposed to be doing the same effort. The

Tom: whole, if it’s steady, you can’t build because you’re steady.

Crystal: Yeah. To me, this just says other people are getting series and I want one. This makes no sense to me at all.

At all. I guess that the idea could be, ’cause she has in her notes here that it, you get more confidence from longer efforts. So take a Power Zone class. It’s been out for year. Like, I just, I don’t get the point. This feels like it’s been done and done and done. So I, if you’re gonna do that, why aren’t you just teaching Power Zone classes then?

Yeah I do not get this at all. I do not, but she’s not my, not my cup of tea. Gotcha. So, yeah. But for people who are, yay,

Tom: Manny Mamo has an invite only class coming up on March 2nd. On March 20th,

Crystal: he does? Yeah. Somebody was excited ’cause they got their invite and they shared it online, so we wanted to make sure people knew about it.

Oh, I wanted to also talk about, we didn’t have it on the list, but it just came out last night. Pilates now is [00:48:00] its own modality. Oh. In the app. So you can now go in and just. Focus on Pilates.

It’s always been under strength. Mm-hmm. So you couldn’t do that before. Yeah. And uh, now you can pull that up. And so I think that also means we might be getting close to when we introduce Ash to the Pilates team.

Tom: That would all make sense. Well, I’m sure that will come in very handy for people.

Crystal: Yeah, absolutely.

Also, they added just Pilates, like you can just work out and it’s a Pilates feature, which is great because now when I do Pilates on tonal, I can include it. My pe time, I couldn’t get those minutes before. Yeah. Or I had to put them under their strength, which is not accurate either.

Tom: Right.

Crystal: So very excited about that.

Tom: We’ve got two birthdays this week. First up, Logan Aldridge, uh,

Crystal: happy Birthday, Logan

Tom: on January 25th. And then past instructor Kendall Toole on January 28th. So. Happy birthday. So, uh, I guess that’s it for this one. Until [00:49:00] next time. Where can people find you?

Crystal: People can find me on Facebook at facebook.com/crystal Do O’Keefe. They can also find me on Blue Sky Threads, Instagram and the Peloton leaderboard at clip out crystals.

Tom: And you can find me on Blue Sky and Threads at, uh, Tom O’Keefe Jr. On Facebook at facebook.com/tom O’Keefe. You can find the show online facebook.com/the clip out while you’re there, like the page.

Join the group. And of course, don’t forget our patreon, patreon.com/the clip out, five bucks a month, ad free episodes, early episodes, and all sorts of bonus content. So, uh, that’s it for this one. Thanks for tuning in, and until next time, keep peddling

Crystal: and running

Tom: and rowing.

Bye.

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