366. The Exodus Continues: Kristin McGee Leaves Peloton. Who’s Next? And Our Interview With Chris Perone!

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  • Kristin McGee leaves Peloton
  • Peloton addresses instructor exodus
  • Cody Rigsby starts his own podcast
  • Mariana Fernandez was on the Hello Latino podcast
  • Serendipity for Tunde
  • Alex Karwoski goes above and beyond visiting some kids at school
  • Jess King launches platform
  • Austin showroom closing
  • Arms and light weights classes are now filmed in strength studio
  • PSL celebrates pride with drag bingo
  • ….And a pride run
  • Replacement parts are now available to purchase
  • Tco top 5
  • This week at Peloton
  • Peloton celebrated Father’s Day
  • Peloton celebrated Juneteenth
  • Strength for golfers hits the platform
  • Andy Speer density 2 program now available
  • Weekly roundup

All this and our interview with Chris Perone!

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The Exodus Continues: Kristin McGee Leaves Peloton. Who’s Next? And Our Interview With Chris Perone!

We are on international waters.

Technically, we’re on national waters.

We are on international waters and we’ve been drinking, so watch out.

Better get the kids out of the room. We never know where this is going to go.

This episode will be a little different because we are on vacation in Hawaii.

I’m feeling saucy.

For a minute, I thought maybe we skipped a week, and then we woke up at 5:30 AM from a phone call. It turns out we will not, so here we are. So far so good. The trips have been fun.

The trips have been great.

We went and looked at volcanoes today.

They were a little disappointing. I’m not going to lie.

Because they don’t look like the volcanoes in cartoons. Where are the cartoon volcanoes?

We went to Volcanoes National Park and they did not take us to the lava field. How do you go to Volcanoes National Park and we didn’t go to the lava field? I didn’t see any lava today, people.

That’s like turning off the porn, right when the plumber shows off.

It doesn’t even make any sense.

It’s like, “Your pizza is here.” “Thanks. Do I sign for it?” “Yeah,” and then it’s somebody eating pizza for the next ten minutes.

Fade to black.

That’s not what we showed up for. We’re here for the lava shot.

By the way, the teenagers are here. I don’t think that their laughter will even penetrate the room. Remember the time we were at the airport recording and we kept talking about the announcements overhead here and you couldn’t hear it at all?

Before anyone decided to report us to DFS, it was the nineteen-year-old laughing at the dirty joke. He’s okay. I’ve seen his browser history. I didn’t tell him anything he didn’t already know.

Sydney is shocked. I think this is the first time Sydney and Brian have ever listened to this podcast.

They never listened.

Who knows what they’re about to learn?

Your parents haven’t listened. My parents haven’t listened, but they’re dead.

They did in the past.

The volcano park.

I enjoyed it. Everything on this trip, I have very much enjoyed. I was just a little let down about the lava. I expect the lava. I did get to see some steam. That was pretty cool. It was neat.

It was funny. We walked over to where the steam rises and it’s cordoned off with metal fencing so you can look down in there. You approach it from one angle and it’s just steam, and then I walked around to the other side because I wanted to take a picture of where all the steam was floating, this is going to sound dumb, I didn’t realize it was hot. It wasn’t hot on that side at all, then I walked over to the other side and it was like I got hit with a blast of hot. My glass is fogged up.

It was a great picture. We had fun. That was fun. I enjoyed that. I think the two biggest highlights from the trip thus far have been the snorkeling at Molokini Crater and Pearl Harbor.

Because we love America.

It was an Amazing tour, simply amazing. It was so well done. It’s not what you think about all the pomp and circumstance, but it was so well done.

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The Missouri is there now. It wasn’t there when I went last time when I was in seventh grade. My school had crazy good field trips.

They’ve changed it up a little bit.

I think the boat was still on the surface.

I wasn’t born until ‘78, and so in the ‘80s, I was still a kid.

Pearl Harbor was neat. It was funny because I wanted to go. I’m like, “When are we ever going to be back?” You were like, “Sure, if you want to go to Pearl Harbor.”

It was interesting. It was a fascinating experience and very emotional. It’s a completely different kind of emotion than 9 /11. I got emotional at that too. This for me particularly was about my grandpa. I could feel him there, and he didn’t serve in World War Two. He served in Korea, but it brought all that back and how we sent him to Korea. Right before he passed, it was about 3 or 4 years before he passed, he was like, I want to go back to Korea.

It was one day and I was like, “Dude, you’re like 90.”

The clock is ticking. He was 88 or 87 at the time. You did a Google search and they have discontinued the program since then, but at the time, they sent veterans.

The Korean government would eat the bulk of the cost.

Once you arrive in Korea, they pay for everything. All you had to pay for was to get them there.

They reimbursed 80% of his flight and 50% of his companion’s flight. They put him up, they fed him, and they took him around.

They gave him a medal and they had a whole ceremony. It was so touching. I’m so glad we did that. That was what I kept thinking of the whole time we were there. I was thinking about Grandpa. That was very special to me.

What pray tell do you have in store for people?

I thought maybe we would touch on the fact that another instructor is leaving.


I know. Maybe we could touch on it a little bit. There’s also quite a bit of instructor news besides the fact that one left or is leaving. There’s still quite a bit, in addition to the fact that there’s also a lot of Peloton news. We have birthdays to talk about. There’s a lot of content. A lot is going on.

Before we dig in, let’s not forget our Bingo call out.

Bingo number one is Robin Arzon.

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It was five stars and was very kind, so thank you. We haven’t gotten a bad review in forever.

We will, after my lava jokes. You can also watch all of these over on YouTube, except for this week’s. It is probably going to be a logo because I don’t even know how to capture video and upload it on this boat.

We’re going to be lucky to get these audio files loaded.

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I can promise you this week, you are not getting it early.

I don’t know. It’s Tuesday right now.

That’s true. We are recording earlier than normal. Also, we record bonus episodes. You were for sure not getting one of those this week.

It isn’t going to happen. It’s it’s been a logistical nightmare.

Yes, that’s a more clean way to say it. We will be back next week with bonus episodes in full force. We appreciate your support in the meantime and we’d like you extra, extra.

Tim Shaughnessy sent me a message and said we shouldn’t. He wanted us to enjoy our vacation, that our bonus listeners would understand, and that we should just enjoy. I think we should take Tim’s advice. Tim said so.

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We shall.


Another week, another missing Peloton instructor. The next Peloton partnership is going to be with milk. They’re going to start putting the instructors’ faces on the back of the cartons.

They told us where they were going. Bye.

Kristin McGee will be exiting the world of Peloton.

She will be missed. I want to focus on that first of all, first and foremost. I love Kristin McGee. She’s a kind person and she will be missed. She’s great at yoga. She’s great at meditation. She knows what she’s doing. She’s a great teacher. As I said, a very sweet person. What a crazy week this has turned out to be. Before we get into this any further, can I say thank you to Helper Bee Nikki? Poor Nikki. I swear to God, some major news story breaks every time we leave, but she got it all done and we appreciate her. We appreciate all of our writers and all of our helpers. Thank you so much.

We are sending Nikki a grass skirt from Hawaii.

My understanding is that there were three instructors who, as they wrapped up their contract, their negotiations did not go well. Kristin had been there for six years. That leads me to believe that contracts either last for 2 or 3 years, I believe it’s 3. Somebody opted not to continue.

We should talk about her Instagram post.

She posted this quote. First, she posts this goodbye message. She acknowledges she’s leaving. That same day in her Instagram story, she posts this quote. I don’t remember exactly how it all goes. I do remember that the final line was, “You can’t stay where you’re not appreciated. Know your value.”

I’ll say it. Now, people can get mad at me.

The only people who are going to get mad at this conversation are from Peloton because everyone agrees.

I don’t know how to interpret that other than they wanted her to take a pay cut. I don’t know any other way to read that.

I don’t know what it means. It’s hard for me not to read between the lines when I hear three different contract negotiations not going well, two of which are yoga, other than to say that for whatever reason, data shows that people value different kinds of classes more than they value the yoga classes.

It’s hard for them in the current climate to justify a major expenditure on yoga, which I get. You have to think Ross Rayburn’s husband is directing a super successful Broadway play that’s on a very successful national tour, and I don’t want to make it sound like Ross Rayburn is a kept man.

He is very successful in his own right.

He is and so the household is not Jones’s and for money. Maybe he’s like, “Okay. I did my time here and that was nice. I’ll go to the next thing.” My gut tells me that Kendall wanted a big raise and they were like, “No.”

No comment.

She’s like, “I’ll let the loose cannon take the heat.” I feel like with Kristin McGee, when you say things like, “Know your value,” I don’t think a reasonable person would think in the current climate at Peloton that they’re going to open up the checkbook and start handing out big raises to people.

I would agree. All of my interactions with her and watching her interactions with others have always been like she’s a very middle-of-the-road and very level-headed lady.

When she says, “Know your value,” it says to me that they were like, “We don’t think yoga is as important as we used to think it is going to be. We’re not going to pour a bunch of money. If you want to work for X, then great. If not, what X,” and she took the what X.

The other thing is the comment that she made in her Subset, which said something to the effect of she wished she could have been made working for Peloton but some circumstances made that impossible. It’s hard not to think. It’s very different circumstance for her because she’s a single mom of three boys. You talk about how Ross has all these options available to him. I’m not saying Kristin does or doesn’t because I don’t know her life. I just know that when you’re a single mom, because I’ve been one, you have to look at things through a different lens.

They’re in two very different places. I get the impression it was a very difficult decision for her, but one that she felt with all her heart she had to make. That’s what I hear and feel. Every fiber of her being and everything she’s putting out in the universe says, “I didn’t want to do this, but I had no choice. I could not,” for whatever reason. I’m not saying you’re wrong at all. I don’t feel confident.

I should say we have no inside information telling us this. This is reading between the same lines that are available for everyone else to read between.

She seems hurt in a different way. There’s an emotion there coming through and the song choices that she’s making and the Instagram posts that she’s saying, she’s not saying anything, it’s just she’s saying things. We’ve all been there. We’ve all been in a place where we can’t say something for whatever reason, but certain choices we make. We’re saying something anyway. Whatever is going on, I don’t think we will continue to see more instructors leaving. As I said last week, these negotiations happen at the same time. When they happen, they’re all happening at the same time and we would see it by the end of June, boom, we saw it by the end of June.

You said last week very succinctly that if you’re going to see more, it’s going to be in June, and then we’ll be done for a while. Less than four business days later, here we are.

I do believe we are done. I know we are done. Also, I think it’s important to note that whenever Peloton did release their statement, which I guess is our next topic. When we talk about these instructors leaving and what other things are happening here, Peloton made a statement. They said, “Our door will always be open to these instructors. This is not a final goodbye, but rather we hope to see them later.” Ross alluded to this when he left, he said, “The door is open. I expect and I already have planned some things with Peloton that I’ll be working on and I’ll be back.”

That’s one. Two, they also said in this note, “As we think about Peloton’s future, we are excited about the opportunity to bring new talent to our instructor roster to continue offering a best-in-class experience to our members.” That also means we can expect to see new instructors. I don’t know how else you read that. That’s a plan. It’s probably already in progress. They have known about these departures for a while now, weeks at minimum.

We all know what a lead time there is between when an instructor is hired and when they premiere on the platform.

Six months. That could already be in the works. That will be happening. Some people are not excited about that. Some people think there are already enough instructors. Some people don’t even know these instructors are leaving, so there is that.

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In fairness, I don’t know why they would hire new instructors right now.

I don’t think they should right now. Even though I’m saying it could already be happening, there’s nothing to indicate that it is. There’s nothing to indicate that. It also could be a year and a half or two years down the road. I have no timeline for that. I don’t know anything. I just know that when I’m reading this, they’re planning on it at some point when the time is right.

Another big thing to talk about here is one thing that we’re not hearing is Peloton slamming the door and they had to cut costs and they had to start firing people. This is an imminent danger, “Oh my God, the ship is sinking.” I’m so tired of that. First of all, like Chicken Little, let it go. The sky is not falling and it’s fine. Second of all, even if Peloton folded or even if they completely shit the bed, somebody would buy them. We’ve been over this. I know the listeners who listen all the time already know all this stuff because we talk about it.

The brand name is too valuable at this point. There will always be some incarnation of Peloton. Will it be what you want it to be? Probably not. Would it be with reduced personnel? Probably. We’re talking worst-case scenario here. Will your bike, your tread, and your row completely stop working one day? That seems unlikely. I cannot imagine a scenario where that would occur.

I would agree with that. What’s fascinating to me will be so what happens with Kendall when she’s gone because she’s a Lululemon ambassador. They just filmed some big things. I know that they did something because Hannah Frankson was over here doing something for Lululemon in Peloton, yet Kendall is leaving. What does that mean? I have so many thoughts about that. I can’t help but wonder, does she continue to be an ambassador, but it looks different?

I’m asking questions because I don’t have answers to them. Either way, I feel like with these instructors, it is about contract negotiations, however you interpret that. Some people are saying, “If these instructors didn’t get what they wanted, that must mean the ship is sinking. It doesn’t necessarily mean that. Even if we’re right and they asked Kristin McGee to take a pay cut, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the company is tanking. It also could simply mean they don’t want to spend money on yoga right now.

They don’t get the bang for their buck.

It’s not an ROI.

I wonder, with yoga as a modality, what you’ll see moving forward is People double dipping that if you want to do yoga, you also have to do bike classes or tread classes. I wonder if you’ll see fewer instructors that specialize in one area only.

It’ll be interesting to see because Mariana Fernandez teaches running, yoga, and meditation. It’ll be interesting to see what they do because Aditi, at this point, teaches the yoga and meditation classes. Will we see her do something else? That would be a good indicator of what you’re saying. Denis is yoga, but he’s also a bike. It will be interesting to see what they do.

In the middle of all this, Kristin posted a fun photo of her rehearsing with her band.

She did. It’s like what 6 to 8 months ago, she performed and she sang. She had a great time. She is now back in practice. She will be performing and she also indicated she’s going to be spending a lot of time vacationing with her boys, taking some time off, and spending that time with them. Good for her and we wish her nothing but the best.

Transitioning into more normal news, Cody Rigsby has a podcast.

That he does. What are your thoughts on this?

Podcasting for people who have an established platform has become a quick way to make an easy buck. You’ve already got a built-in fan base that will download it. You see a lot of these celebrity podcasts in summer that are good, like Smart List, but there’s a lot out there. I’m not saying his podcast won’t be good. I’m just saying that it’s a very quick and easy way to monetize a fan base.

I’ve had people make comments or ask questions about how is that going to be possible with all of his other commitments because they know how much time and effort he spends on them. Here’s the simple answer. He will have somebody do everything for him. All he has to do is sit down and talk. He is not going to have to do any of the stuff that we do because that’s exactly how the model for these is built, When you’re doing what they call an indie podcast, which is what Tom and I do, you have to do everything yourself.

I know it’s hard to tell because it sounds so top-level.

It does actually. It’s a very different thing. What he’s doing is somebody does everything for him.

He’ll have an engineer in the studio and he’ll walk in and sit down. He’ll probably already have the bulk of the show topics in front of him.

All he’s got to do is riff.

It’s just Cody for an hour and then they edit it down to 30 minutes or whatever.

He will never listen to it or hear it again.

He won’t even have to log in to the hosting platform.

I can only dream of being at that level.

I live for the day when we don’t need to log into our hosting platform because we have people.

I would love that.

Do we have any idea what the topic is or is it just talking to people?

It says that he is going to be doing this with his bestie Broadway star Andrew Chappell. The show is called Tactful Pettiness and it will explore all things petty and how to handle sticky situations with tact and grace. I don’t think it’s going to be with tact and grace though. It’s going to be petty. That’s what his brand is. It’s not tactful. What he says and does is not tactful. It’s funny. I’m not begrudging it, but call it what it is. It’s just pettiness. There’s no tact involved. That’s okay. I’m not judging, but I am judging the title. I don’t think that’s true.

It’s a deliberate oxymoron. Tactful pettiness would be an oxymoron. Anyway, good luck to him.

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Good luck to him. You don’t need to wish anybody good luck when they already have an audience. It’s built-in. He’ll be fine. He’s going to do great.

Speaking of podcasts, Mariana Fernandez was on the Hello Latino podcast.

I love Mariana. I love the fact that she’s making sure that she is always being an advocate for Latinos all around the world. She’s like, “Let’s talk about ourselves. Let’s get out there and be in the ether.” I don’t know what’s on this podcast, but the fact that it is named Hello Latino makes me think it has at least some version of that.

I’m sure it was in Spanish.

I love that. I appreciate the fact that she’s one of our Spanish-speaking instructors. All of her meditations are in Spanish. I think that’s great.

Tunde had an interesting moment this week.

This was funny. Tunde is walking down the street and she makes a wrong turn and ends up walking down the street she didn’t mean to go down. I guess it gets a little turned around. As she’s going by this apartment with an open window, there happens to be a woman taking a Peloton class, but not just any Peloton class, Tunde’s class. She hears her own voice coming through the window.

Did she poke her head in the window?

I don’t know. Wouldn’t that have been amazing?

“Your class is in 3D.”

“I’m literally here.” She might have been afraid to scare her. Tunede, if you ever walk down my street and I’m taking your class, please feel free.

Also, Tunde, if you ever walk down our street, your wrong turns are getting really wrong.

You probably should not be in St. Louis because that would be a long way from home.

I know you live in New York City but St. Louis is dangerous.

I don’t know about all of St. Louis. Just downtown. Stay away from downtown.

The murder capital of America. We take pride in that. We hand out shirts that say that and have bullet holes in them.

I don’t know about that.

Alex Kowalski did a very fun thing.

This is so cool. Ramsey High School is where this starts. I don’t want to say his name because they posted it in their own group for Alex and I don’t know if it’s okay to say his name. I didn’t ask his permission so I’m not going to say any more than the high school. This gentleman’s wife has a high school that has a special-ed inclusion class. They sent an email out to the entire staff looking for any staff who had played a sport that was representing the Olympics. This man’s wife floated the idea of whether Alex might be willing to Zoom in for the interview. Get this, Alex did not Zoom in for the interview.

He Skyped in. What a gentleman.

No. He did not do that either. He made the trip to the high cool in person, and then he spent nearly two hours with the kids. The interview took place in their media center. One of the kids asked Alex if he could teach them how to row. He went down to the fitness center, hopped on the ERG, and taught the kid how to row. How amazing is that? That is so cool. We have so many instructors who never meet everyone. They don’t even get on the radar of people. Alex Kerwaski is one of them. He is an amazing guy and more people should be taking classes with him.

I think some of it would be not as many rows.

I get it, but that is a great example of an instructor who gets overlooked for his amazingness when some instructors take up all the oxygen. Some of them are gone, so that’s less oxygen. That is cool of Alex.

That’s a neat story.

It is. I’m very impressed by that.

Jess King is launching her own platform.

I’m a little confused.

I am also a little confused. By a little, I mean a lot.

Did you read it?

It is like synergy tech speak. It feels similar to Swagger Society in that I read the description and I’m like, “What now?”

It feels like a marketing website. Do you know how you go to those marketing websites and they say a whole paragraph of things, but they don’t actually say anything? That’s exactly what this is. It says, “Peloton Instructor Jess King teams up with Cargo and Fabric to launch a revolutionary new platform, blending wellness, parenting, and music content with cutting-edge technology and advertising innovation.” You lost me. What the hell does that mean? How are you blending parenting, wellness, and music with advertising innovation? What does that mean?

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If you’ve innovated advertising, then you should be like, “We found a way to advertise on the back of people’s eyelids.” That’s innovative. That would be my response. If you just say, “It’s innovative. Trust me. It’s going to be innovative. It’s going to be good.” “What is it?” “It’s innovative.” “It’s innovative how?” “For advertising.” “What about advertising?” “It’s innovative.” “What?”

That’s exactly what’s happening here. I’m not saying this is going to be cool or bad.

It’s going to be innovative. That is what it’s going to be. It could be revolutionary.

It also says that she’s going to be launching her new long-form website. What the hell is a long-form website? Aren’t all websites long-form? By their very nature, they have words on them.

They go on and on.

That’s the whole point. I don’t understand. What? It says, “It’s poised to be a unique digital space where King will share her multifaceted insights through various content forms including exclusive video interviews that offer her audience unparalleled engagement.”

Is it Substack?

She’s going to have videos. I don’t know. We will see. The big thing that comes with like the Swagger Society is you can call it whatever you want but there’s going to be money involved. There’s got to be because what’s the point? Somebody is going to make money.

That’s innovative advertising revenue.

If you say so.

We’re saucy.

I know. I warned them that we were saucy. I don’t mean that in a bad way towards Jess King. Just to be clear. I just don’t understand what we’re doing. That’s all I’m saying.

We don’t understand.

It’s out there.

Coming up after this, more sauciness, as we talk about showrooms that are closing, new classes that are being filmed, and what all that means. Stick around, won’t you?


The Austin showroom is closing.

It is on June 23rd. Sad, it’s been around since 2016. It’s that awhile. That’s one of the first ones. They are going to be closing and their last day is on June 23rd, the same day as the celebration.

If you live in the Austin area, first off, congratulations on your weirdness. You should go by and say hi or bye.

At least they get a party. We didn’t have one in St. Louis. They didn’t bother.

They were afraid they would get murdered because it was St. Louis. Forty percent of all people in St. Louis are murdered. Did you know that? That is a fact that I just made up.

Stop it.

The arms lightweight classes, or as I like to call them ALWs.

Stop. Don’t act like you knew what the hell that was, other than two hours ago when I told you.

You were like, “ALWs,” and I was like, “Is that what they call Lou Gehrig’s Disease now?” Apparently, it means arms and lightweights.

They’re now filming the arms in lightweight classes in the strength studio.

The people are going up to the door of the strength studio and they’re sticking their arm in and they film that.

It’s innovative. I’m pretty sure it’s going to start showing up on Jess King’s website.

It’s an innovative arm. They put tattoos on them. This arm pops in and they’re like, “What’s on that bicep? I’ll be damned. It’s a Lululemon logo.”

“Let me go get some Lululemon.”

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You know what that is? It’s innovative. We’re innovating on our own revolutionary platform that gives a voice to the synergized.

It does. At any rate, they are going to now be filming these in the strength studio, which means that you can access them from all of the equipment in the app, not just on the bike.

That’s important.

They’ve been doing this for a while, just to be clear. I think we finally realized that all of these are now being filmed there. They didn’t just move them. I didn’t realize they were being filmed in the strength studio. I thought that they had somehow made them available, but it’s where they’re doing them now.

If you’re wandering around the strength studio and you see a free-floating arm, give it a high five, won’t you? PSL is celebrating Pride with Drag Bingo.

This is amazing. Leanne, Benny, and Jeffrey are going to be doing Drag Bingo. They’re hosting. It’s going to be a game night. Envy is going to be there. She’s a super glam, super camp East London party queen known for her quick wit, amazing live vocals, and wow factor looks. She is the queen of Drag Bingo. That’s going to happen. Benny, Jeffrey, and Leanne are all going to there. There’s also going to be time for you to play the game.

You are going to get to hang out with the instructors. You are going to meet Envy. It’s going to be a fun day. Doesn’t that sound awesome? I wish they would broadcast this because you can go if you’re in London and you were lucky enough to buy these tickets, but if you can’t, I wish they would film this. They got Peleton Studios now where they put out movies. Put this one out. I want to see this. This looks fun. I wish I could be there.

You’re also getting a Pride run.

There’s going to be a little 5K that is occurring. When I say little, I mean miles because it’s a 5K. They are doing it specifically for Pride. They had a whole thing where you could sign up for it. It will be taking place on the 25th of June. It’s going to be outdoors at 6:30 PM local time. You can even bring a friend, as long as you sign up for it ahead of time.

Replacement parts are now available for purchase online.

This is a cool deal. If your bike is under warranty, then you can go and get parts directly from them. How many times have we seen somebody’s dog has eaten the cord on their bike? That’s an example. You can go and buy a replacement cord. You don’t have to interact with somebody online to get the part.

You can also buy a replacement dog right there on the website.

They don’t have dogs. They have a whole bunch of things though. They have a bunch of different things that you get for the Peloton Tread, the Tread+, the Bike, and the Bike+. There’s a whole bunch of stuff, especially for the Bike and the Bike+.

Coming up after this, we’re going to talk all about the new content out there and what we think you should try next, so stick around.


Before we dig into content, it’s Bingo number two.

Joslyn Thompson Rule.

It is time for the TCO Top Five. We ask you to chime in with your favorite class of the week, and then we say it back to people as a way to recommend what they should maybe attempt to check out. Here it is.

The first one is a yoga class from Chelsea Jackson Roberts on 6/17. It is the Pump up the Beat Pride yoga flow. This is a 30-minute. Greg Cochran chose this class and he called it spectacular. He said, “Chelsea’s energy, the poses, the flow, the intentionality, and the constant celebratory theme of Pride was amazing. This was not an easy class, but her instruction provided modifications to make everyone feel welcome and a part of the class. One of my top three of all time.” That’s big.

That’s a bold statement, Greg. The next item up for bid is your favorite Peloton ride.

This is from Jess King. The class took place on June 6th, It was the Sweat Steady low-impact ride. Danette Royal Giles picked this ride saying, “The playlist was perfection and the efforts allowed her to be more focused and build endurance on the leaderboards.” It also had an amazing soundtrack to that class, Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, Dua Lipa, RY X, Duke Dumont, and of course, ODESZA.

Number three, your favorite Peloton walk.

On June 13th, there was a walk with Jon Hosking. This was his last class before this walk on May 4th because remember, we talked about Jon being in The Boot.

They call it in Germany, Das Boot.

He was back in June. Melissa Giles Hanwalker chose this class saying, “It was nice to see Jon back.” Jon had planned on running the London Marathon on April 21st, but on April 4th, he announced he was pulling out of the race due to his ankle injury, and then he had his medical boot to help his ankle heal and this was a great walk for Jon to get back in the groove of teaching with a wonderful playlist.

Number four, your favorite Peloton strength class.

This class was taught by Becs Gentry on June 5th. It was the Strength for Runners, 30 minutes. Daxton chose this class saying, “The format was simple yet effective. The class started with a fabulous stretch, including a few yoga moves that Becs said were inspired by none other than Denis Morton. Becs used familiar moves throughout the workout that included toning and balancing.”

Finally, number five, your favorite unstackable.

This was taught by Christine D’Ercole and this took place on June 16th. It was a 75-minute Power Zone endurance ride. Karen Allen Reddy took this ride in the studio live. She said it was tough. Her legs are still feeling it and the 75-minute Queen of Hills is no joke for sure, 11-minute warm-up, 63 minutes of hard work. What a playlist, REM, the Eurythmics, the Beatles, Taylor Swift, and Florence & the Machine. That’s a lot. That is a lot. That’s great. I love it.

Now, let’s take a look at what’s coming up this week at Peloton in a segment called This Week at Peloton.

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By the time you heard this, it had already occurred. New metrics classes have dropped. They added a whole bunch more. If you like the metrics where there’s minimal talking, more working, and focusing on the cues, these are for you. A bunch just dropped. There’s also a new Defected Records live DJ ride with Ben Alldis. He put that together, scheduled for Friday, June 21st.

There’s a Summer Solstice Reset.

Denis is doing a reset. He is going to have a premier reset ride on Thursday, June 20th, followed by a reset yoga flow at 7:30 PM, Eastern. Perfect way to start the new season.

There is low-impact cardio with Rebecca.

This is going to be live. If you were looking for a live low-impact cardio class, June 21st at 1 PM, Eastern. This is the first one. It’s a big deal. That’s exciting.

We had multiple celebrations this week. Peloton celebrated Father’s Day.

Father’s Day occurred. There were new classes that dropped in Spanish and English. They had For The Father classes, in Spanish that is Para Los Padres classes. There was a 30-minute ride with Camila, and there was a 20-minute upper body strength with Rad and a 20-minute yoga flow with Mariana. They also had new live and encore classes for English-speaking members. There was a Father’s Day ride with Alex Toussaint. There was one with Bradley Rose that was on demand, a Father’s Day walk and run with Robin, and that was an encore, and then there was a new row with Alex K and that was live.

We also celebrated Juneteenth this week.

You might remember that with Juneteenth, we have had these classes before, so there’s a collection just like with Father’s Day. They added some new classes that dropped and they were not live. Peloton closed the studio on June 19th. It’s completely closed. What they did was they added new classes that were going to be taken on demand. There were new classes that dropped. I wanted to make that very clear. Some were encore. There were also some new classes.

This is the most adorable class I’ve ever heard of. It seems very niche but it is cute as cute can be, Strength for Gopher. It’s out there with their little buck teeth and their little feet can’t even reach the pedals.

No, honey. This is Golfers.

That’s a lot less cute.

I don’t think it has to be less cute, although gophers are adorable. I feel like you have a Caddyshack thing going on there. Selena has been talking about how she had this new content that was going to be dropping. She’s been so excited for weeks. This was it. We had thought that this might be Strength for Golfers and sure enough, it was. That’s pretty cool. I think it’s also important to point out that there are two programs. One is in English with Selena, but there’s also one that is going to be taking place in German. That is happening as well. That one is taking place with Irene Kamer. That’s cool that both of them are happening.

Andy Speer is debuting Density 2 this week.

This has been a very long-sought-after program. I love Density 1. Andy released Total Strength Density 2. This is debuting on the 21st. There will be all kinds of classes that you can take. There’s a whole review we did last year when this one came out. You can go back and read that first of all. If the new collection follows the design of the first one, you’re going to see classes that are going to drop over four weeks. There are going to be three classes per week, 30 minutes, 20 minutes, and 20 minutes. We also expect that each week is going to have opportunities for you to build on your progress while we’re repeating the same foundational moves. This will be awesome.

It’s a little something we do most every week, a roundup if you will. We call it this and that because it’s a little bit of this and a whole lot of that. Just a little little tiny quick hits like little appetizers except we’re having them at the end of the meal. They should have a name for appetizers that come at the end of the meal.

It’s called dessert.

I don’t think that’s true. Kendall’s classes remain on the platform just like we said they would.

All of the instructors that we have heard from Ross, Kendall, and Kristin, all of their classes will remain on the platform.

They keep your classes on there unless you piss them off on your way out the door.

A couple of people have managed that. I think the important takeaway here though is that Peloton will continue to do the normal purges that they’ve always done.

One day, they will be gone. By then, you will have moved on. I know you don’t think it’s true, but you will. You will learn to love again. Emma Lovewell’s postpartum confinement.

Emma is following a Chinese book titled The First Forty Days, which outlines 40 days of postpartum confinement, no taxing physical or mental activities, drinking lots of fluids, and massage. Although she will be shortening the time period to around a month, she is keeping recovery and bonding at the forefront of her brain as she enters this new chapter of her life. That is awesome. That’s cool. It is important for a mom to take the time to focus on you, focus on the baby, and focus on family. I think that’s great.

Tunde has a new friend.

This is what we were talking about when we talked about how the woman was playing.

Did she track her down?

She looked up to see this woman and she ran down to meet Tunde in the street for a photo op and created what is surely a great memory for both of them. How crazy is that? That’s insane.

Finally, Ally Love and Jess King are heading to Cannes.

They both went over there and Ally is going with this thing called Captivate, which is a company that specializes in data, analytics, and marketing for social media influencers.

Are they innovative?

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Clearly. Jess DJ a set for Cargo. She’s working with them on her new innovative website. That makes sense. She’s also working with Stagwell Global and they’re both marketing firms. Very interesting. I guess film festivals are now influencer festivals.

A lot of influencers get hired in movies. They pop up for no reason. In Bad Boys: Ride or Die, I don’t know the influencer’s name but you see him all the time. He’s a Black guy who points out instructional things on the internet and then he makes his face at it where he’s like, “That’s dumb.” He pops up in Bad Boys for no reason. There he is.

He got all those followers.

It’s like, “We’ll put him in this movie for three seconds,” but then he’ll put it on his Instagram or TikTok or whatever his platform.

It makes a lot of sense. Cool.


Birthdays this week, I think this is the first time in three weeks that I didn’t miss somebody. The first item up for bid, Selena Samuela is celebrating her birthday on June 22nd.

Next, we have Denis Morton on June 23rd.

Tied for next is Andy Speer, also on June 23rd.

Happy birthday, Selena, Dennis, and Andy.

Coming up after this, we have the interview of the week, Chris Perone. We’ll talk to Helper Bee Chris.


Joining us is Helper Bee Chris Perone. Chris. How’s it going?

It’s going great. It’s great to be on the show.

It’s great to have you here. Although you are an amazing helper bee, that is not why you are here. You are amazing in many ways. I am so excited to hear more about your Peloton journey. You know how I start these. How did you first find Peloton?

Peloton Journey

I had started spinning way back in like 2006 and I fell in love with it as soon as I started doing it. When I was still in the Navy, I had a chance to go up to Washington DC for a year. I lived up there, kept spinning, and took a class to get certified as an instructor. I finally did some subbing for some classes up there. Eventually, once I got back home to Florida, I ended up buying one of their bikes. One of the old Spinning.com ones and I had that for a long time.

Eventually, I heard about Peloton here and there. I held off on buying anything because I had my own bike. I started off as an app user, so I was doing classes on the app, which was great. I wanted to have all the metrics that the bike gives you. One of the sales took place. They would knock a few hundred dollars off the bike. I took the plunge and that’s back in 2021 when I first got my Peloton bike.

I thought that you had been part of the community for longer. You’re such an integral part of the community. In my head, you’ve been in it longer. That’s so interesting.

I wish I had joined earlier. I sometimes think I missed a lot of the good old days of what happened with Peloton, but I joined when I did. I love it. It’s got so many awesome classes from the bike to running. I’ve got my own treadmill. I don’t have the Peloton tread but I’ve got another tread. I used the app for that as well. That’s how it started for me.

Do you think you’ll replace that with the Peloton one at some point?

I don’t know. I might have to find a different place to put it. If I put it in my current room, I probably have to put a diagonal to get it to fit in. I love the Tread+. I’ve been on the Tread+ a couple of times at our local showroom in Jacksonville. It’s awesome. It feels great to run on. I do most of my runs outdoors. You can do that in Florida year-round. If you start early enough, even in the summer, you can run. I don’t have those frigid cold mornings where I wish I had a tread to hop on. I do use it occasionally. I’m a big Susie Chan fan. She’s my favorite tread instructor. I’ve looked at the row too. That looks like a lot of fun. We’ll see what my budget allows.

I could tell you had already dismissed the regular tread out of hand where you’re like, “I have to put it in diagonal.”

He’s like, “It’s got to be the big boy.”

Tread regular is like, “No, I’m not doing that.”

The Tread+ is sweet.

It is. I have to laugh and tell Tom this because I was complaining about the humidity. He was like, “Shut up.” He was super nice about it. He was not mean at all but in my head, I heard him being like, “Okay.”

It could always be worse. You could be in Florida with our humidity.

I would not last in Florida. I know that. I am not a good Floridian.

You acclimate. It’s like anything.

Every time we go somewhere where it’s hot and humid, I am like a wilted flower the entire time we’re there.

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We’re there for like a week. If you just lived there, you would get accustomed.

Not running.

I’ve been here a few decades. It’s still miserable.

You toughen up.

Running And Half Marathons

He is tough. He does it anyway. You mentioned running and you got into spin quite a long time ago. You also mentioned the Navy. Have you always been an active person?

I’ve tried to be. I was one of those people that hated running for a long time. In the Navy, you have to run twice a year on a physical fitness test. For a long time, you had to do a mile-and-a-half run. That was pretty much all the running I would do. Eventually, I started running 5Ks and that was nice. Not too long but those were manageable. One day, I got an email from the local running store. They were putting on a half-marathon training class. I thought, “That sounds pretty ambitious.” I ended up going to that and signing up and training for the half marathon. That was my first one, way back in 2015.

That’s an important thing. For our audience, Chris finished his 100th half marathon. You’ve done a half in every state as well.

That’s right. I finished my last state in 2022 in Hawaii.

That’s a good place to finish.

I feel like a lot of people save Hawai for that’s their reward.

That’s what Carey Socol did. She does marathons. I know it’s a little different but that is a great running way to do it. That’s smart. I’m also curious, what made you decide like, “I am going to go on this journey and do a half marathon in every state?”

When I signed up for that training class, we were all broken into different pace groups. I’m not fast. The group I was in, one of the co-leaders of that group was already in this club. They called it 50 State Half Marathon Club and she’d done probably almost twenty states by that point. I didn’t sign up for that right away. I did a few runs in Florida. I did one in California and then ended up doing one in Georgia. Georgia is right up the road from Jacksonville, then I had three states. I’m like, “Only 42 more.”

I signed up and was knocking a lot of states back from 27 to 18 and 19. I was doing a whole lot of races. We try to travel in groups so we can split expenses. That’s how it all started for me. COVID stopped everything for a good year or two almost but I finally managed to finish in Hawaii a couple of years. It was in Waikiki that we ran in April of ‘22.

Did you run on a beach?

We started on the beach and ran up Diamond Head, the volcano, and around the island. It was a gorgeous run. It was a little humid. I’m not going to lie. Not quite as bad as Florida, but you’re in Hawaii. What can I say? It’s a beautiful place to be.

You’ve been living in Florida, so it’s like your whole life has been building up to it.

It should have felt easy. I’m so impressed when people go on journeys like that because it’s much commitment to do that.

It is. It’s not cheap either. You’re flying to a lot of places, but if you’re traveling with friends, it’s a lot of fun. You get to go to places you probably never would have gone before and been all over. I did a beautiful run in Acadia National Park in Maine. That was a sweet trip. The one I finished, my 100th, was out at La Jolla in California. That’s another beautiful run right on the ocean there. Once you hit the halfway point, you’re motivated to try to knock as many out. Lately, we’ve been doing as a group, trying to arrange runs around where we can go to a baseball game afterward. That’s what we did in California. We went to three stadiums during our trip out there. It’s fun.

I’m curious where you did your half marathon in Missouri.

In Missouri, I ran in Kansas City. That’s a funny story because that was the coldest run I’ve ever done. It was 13 degrees. It was around the Thanksgiving holiday. One of the things we would do if we could, was back-to-back states. If you could travel and do one state on a Saturday and get the other state on a Sunday. If they were close enough together, you could drive. We’ve done a number of those.

That’s what happened when I did Kansas and Missouri on the same weekend. The Kansas, the first day was frigid. It was Kansas City then Overland Park in Kansas. We did those two. It was on the Saturday. It was brutally cold. I don’t think I’ll be doing any more of those types of cold weather runs. Those are hard to deal with.

You will not be going to Antarctica is what you’re saying?

I don’t think I’ll be doing that one. Unless it gets warm up there.

The light things are going. You can add it to your list. Now you’ve done every state. Is it like then you drill down every county?

He just did a hundred. I want to know what’s next too. Are you like, “I’m good. I hit 100.” Are you like, “On to the next thing?”

I’m good for now. I’m trying to maybe do some races I didn’t get to do the first time around that are popular races. Those are the ones I’ll have on a bucket list. I know people that have done 500 or 600 of these races. They’ve done each state multiple times. I’m not one of those people. I’m happy to just do it once. I’m content. When we run, we do run, walk, run. We make it more manageable for ourselves. I learned that in the first marathon that I ran. I kept getting passed by people who stopped and walked, then they would run. I’m wondering, “How is this happening?” I realized if you do the run-walk, you save a lot of energy toward the end of the race. You feel a lot better than if you keep going continuously.

I was grateful that you sent me that training plan for Disney World, by the way, because I’m planning to do that marathon. I’m trying the walk-run approach this time around. When we were in Hawaii, it had me doing one day. It had me doing 14 miles on a long run then the day we got back, I had to do 18 miles. I was like, “This is not going to happen. There’s no way that’s going to happen.”

You’re not going to want to run 18 miles after you get off the plane from Hawaii.

She was trying to plot it out and I’m just like, “Crystal.”

That is not going to happen.

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She’s like, “If I did it this way,” then my retort was, “Crystal.” “But what if?” “Crystal.” Finally, she’s like, “You’re right.”

We don’t get off the plane until 5:00 PM and it’s crazy. As I was explaining earlier, when we were talking, the night before we leave at 9:30, and then we are at the airport for six hours the next day and we just sit there.

We’re doing a cruise that goes to all the islands in Hawaii. We’ll get off the cruise ship at 7:00 in the morning then our plane doesn’t leave until 9:00 at night. We’re like “Yay, we have another day in Hawaii but we’re also dragging luggage with us.” It’s like, “Now what?”

I haven’t told him but I am thinking that I might try to find a gym, a hotel that will let you use their gym then I can put the luggage in there. You can go watch your movie.

I didn’t see a movie when we had the boat. When we’re in Phoenix on the layover, I’m going to record an episode of Reel Spoilers.

Sometimes the airports have rooms where you can store luggage too. I don’t know if Honolulu does but I know some airports have luggage storage for several hours or a day or so. They’ll give you a ticket and you pick it up when you’re back.

That might be worth looking at.

We have to go to the airport.

It’s not that big.

What port are you finishing at in Hawaii?

I assumed it was Honolulu. I have no idea. They could drop us anywhere. I assumed it was up the road. I should look, Chris. That’s what I thought. I thought it was all pretty close. It’s not like sometimes where we’ve gone to another state then we’re like, “We got to drive back three hours to get to the airport.” We’ve done things like that.

Make sure you check out that bakery in Waikiki, Leonard’s Bakery. The malasadas are fantastic.

I told Tom it’s got to be on our list. We’re right there. We got to go.

You don’t have to tell me twice to go get donuts. This is a MetPro-free vacation.

Classes And Routine

That it is. I know that you said that you take classes on the treadmill that you have and you don’t have a Peloton tread. Suzie is your favorite. What other classes are you taking?

I’ve done quite a few of the programs. I’m doing the first-floor bootcamp one which is a lot of fun. It’s with Selena and Jess Sims. That’s a wonderful program. I do a lot of Power Zone on the bike so I’m doing a lot of those rides quite a bit. I’ve done some stuff with Ben Alldis’s Stronger You. I’ve done Andy’s strength program. Those are some of my favorites. I’ve done some yoga with Ross. I loved Ross. It was sad to hear he was leaving or had left. He was fantastic as well.

I agree with that. How do you split up your workouts as far as the running you’re doing and the biking? I know you take a lot of power zone classes but with all the running you do, it might be difficult to balance that all out.

It is hard to train for both or at least train well for both. Mostly, when I’m running now, I run with some running friends like on Tuesday nights, and then we’ll do a long run on Saturdays. Now, it might only be around 6 or 7 miles. I’m running twice a week now. Occasionally, I’ll do a tread run, but I like to do shorter treadmill runs. I’m not much into the longer run. I like to get on maybe 30 minutes at most now.

There are a lot of good ones in that time range.

I saw Peloton released a half marathon training program.

They did. Are you going to try that?

I might try it out. That’s such a good idea because a half marathon is a much more attainable goal than a full one. It’s a huge difference between the two. I’ve done two marathons. They’re grueling. They’re hard to do. It’s not like it’s a little bit harder. I heard somebody say that when you’re doing a full marathon, you should think of mile 20 as the halfway point because the last few miles are hard. They work for me.

I’m feeling great about this.

You’re running in November in New York though.

That’s true.

You’ll have beautiful cool weather and great sights. That’ll make it a lot easier for you.

It’s probably the only one I’m ever going to do. I think it’s going to be it. I could see doing half marathons in the future, but I don’t know about this full marathon.

I don’t like it when you’re training for marathons.

Is it because I get all stressed? I’m like, “How am I going to do this? What have I done?”

The training run is a lot of work. It so happened that the day I ran, I ran in Charleston. We were training for one in Jacksonville, but we ended up doing the Charleston marathon. It was like a training run for it. It was in the 70s that day. It was warm. I’m pretty sure you’ll get good weather when you’re running yours in November.

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Let’s hope.

What is your leaderboard name?

I am JaxInTheSaddle. That’s for Jacksonville in the saddle like my bike saddle. That’s how that came about.

From 50 To A Hundred

I like it. I’m also curious why you decided to go from 50 states to 100 with your half-marathons.

It was like when you signed up with this club, they had two major goals. It was either do all 50 states or do 100. I was getting them both knocked out at the same time. I got my 50 states done first, and then had about another 16 or 17 to go before I hit my 100. I managed to get it finally and was very happy to do so.

When you sign up for something like that, do you have to start over or can you grandfather in things you’ve already done? If you’ve already done four states by happenstance, are they like, “No?”

It is a no. Your list resets after you finish. Even though I’ve done a whole bunch in Florida, I’d have to start over or at least I know that’s what the 50-state rule is. I’ve got a few states I’ve repeated since I finished my Hawaii run, but I’m not looking to do them all again. That’s a lot.

I don’t blame you.

I have to win the Power Ball and have nothing else to do.

It’s such a neat thing and it’s such a cool journey, but one time is plenty. That’s just good. I’m good.

Once was fine. I had a lot of fun doing it. I met a lot of great people and made a lot of great friends doing it. If you can do it, the great thing about it is there’s no time deadline. You could take as long as you need.

That’s a good point.

You’re in the Midwest, so you’re close to a lot of other states. I’m way down here, so not a lot. Everything, you got to fly to about everywhere else.

That’s another great point.

Quit selling her on this. That’s enough out of you.

Who’s your favorite instructor that’s not Susie Chan? That’s your favorite instructor on the tread, but who else is out there?

My favorite instructor since I started is I love Jenn Sherman. She might be my top. I like Denis Morton. He’s good. I like Ben a lot. Emma Lovewells, I like her classes. Christine is good. Those are probably my top five bike instructors. Those are a good mix. A very interesting mix.

Do you have any advice for people just now entering the world of Peloton?

Even since I joined, they have so much content to explore. I would tell everyone to try everything out. Most people don’t know all they have and all that there is. They think maybe they’re just buying a bike and that’s all it is. You’ve got all kinds of things like yoga, strength, and stretching. I would say try everything. You might fall in love with something you never tried before.

That’s good advice.

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Chris, thank you so much for joining us. Before we let you go, remind everybody of your leaderboard name, where they can find you, and all the places you would like to be found.

I’m not doing too much on socials, but the leaderboard is JaxInTheSaddle. You also see me on the Clip Out. You can write articles there. That’s basically about it for me.

Thank you so much for hanging out with us and thanks for all you do for the Clip Out.

Thank you so much.


I guess that brings this episode to a close. Until next time, where can people find you?

On this boat. You can find me on Facebook at Facebook.com/crystaldokeefe. You can find me on most socials and the Peloton leaderboard @ClipOutCrystal.

You can find me on Twitter @RogerQBert or Facebook at Facebook.com/tomokeefe. You can find the show online on Facebook.com/TheClipOut. Don’t forget our Patreon, Patreon.com/TheClipOut, where for $5 a month, you get bonus content, except for this week. You get ad-free episodes and we like you just a little bit more. That’s it for this one. Thanks for tuning in. Until next time, keep pedaling and running and rowing.


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