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284. Rowers Start Delivery Ahead Of Schedule Plus Our Interview With Krissy Blackwood

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  • Rowers start getting delivered next week.
  • Peloton launches its holiday marketing campaign.
  • There’s a UK and a US version of the spot.
  • Affirm’s stock drop blamed on Peloton.
  • Peloton partners with Christopher & Dana Reeve Foundation.
  • Peloton teams up with Sporting Equal for UK Black History Month.
  • Peloton rolls out apparel shopping link on the bike.
  • “All” class selector now available on iOS.
  • PSNY hosted a Peloton Row Showcase.
  • Peloton gets a mention in the new Black Panther movie and on SNL (again).
  • John Foley launches a new business venture.
  • Peloton and Echelon settle all litigation.
  • Jenn – Help! My husband just discovered Peloton…and he’s better at it!
  • Becs Gentry talks about pregnancy with Oura Ring on Ep. 4 of In All Hours.
  • The UK is getting a new Tread instructor.
  • Carly Rae Jepson on this week’s LOL Cody.
  • Robin Arzon discussed Web2 on Wednesday.
  • Erik Jaeger took over Tobias’ IG to talk about his Manaslu Trail journey.
  • Angelo has tips for increasing protein without increasing cholesterol.
  • New York Times writes about Ashton Kutcher’s marathon training.
  • Ashton raise $1 million for his charity.
  • Hydrow is talking smack about Peloton Row.
  • Gyms are hotter than ever in the apartment market.
  • Jenn Sherman Sold Out Show featuring Billy Joel.

All this plus our interview with Krissy Blackwood! 

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Rowers Start Delivery Ahead Of Schedule Plus Our Interview With Krissy Blackwood

You should be in a very good mood.

I am cautiously optimistic. I have learned not to get ahead of myself.

You got your notification that your rower is en route.

I did. I got the email saying that it was ready to be scheduled. They had a little weirdness with the scheduling but I contacted people. They took care of it right away. They said, “We got this. This is a very odd little thing. We got it.” Now, my rower is supposed to be here Monday morning. Look at that. They said Monday, I added the morning. It’s never good enough.

This is a window and what it’s like being married to Clip Out Crystal.

I’m not like that. They said Monday and it’s a huge window. It’s basically all day. Who knows when it’ll be here? That’s so great and it’s cool because they said December.

They’re ahead of schedule. Let’s give them a hat tip for that.

Absolutely, and it’s not like it’s 1 or 2 people, it seems to be quite a chunk of them. I don’t know how many orders got placed for the Row that were pre-orders, but it looks like they’re chunking it out and sending those out in waves so that everybody is getting those by the end of December that did the pre-order by a certain cutoff date. I’m excited about that because I look back at how the Tread+ rolled out. Let me tell you this is night and day different. First, it was, “It’s coming. You can now think about it and tell us that you would like to order it,” which I did immediately, and then it was a year later before I got that Tread+.

Lots of people were getting them before you go yours.

I ordered it the second you could order it, and every single person on the planet got their Tread+ before I did.

Now you’re the only person in the world left with a Tread+.

There are a lot of hanging on to them for dear life. There are a lot of people that are in the same boat as me.

You should start seeing people posting about the rowers.

I saw lots of people have delivery notifications including Eric Goodman, who I heard won the Peloton Row, which is amazing because he also won the Peloton Tread.

What are the odds, especially when there was no contest, to give one away?

That’s for Mrs. Goodman. To the rest of the world, there is no context. It’s all a joke just for Eric.

What pray tell do you have in store for people?

I listened to a Web3 thing that was on Twitter spaces. We’re going to talk about that. It’s specific to Robin, not a general Web3. There is a lot of information happening about Peloton, the marketing campaign that came out. There’s some interesting news where Affirm is, and then there’s new content that dropped and a whole bunch of new stuff. There are lawsuit updates that we got to do. We got a visit from Dr. Jenn, “Help my husband discover Peloton and he’s better at it.” We got to get into that. No, it’s not Tom. We also have a visit from Angelo. We’re going to talk about how you can increase protein without increasing cholesterol. We’ve got celebrity news, and then there’s a bunch of In Case You Missed It stuff.

Before we get to all that, shameless plugs. Don’t forget, we’re available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google. Wherever you find the podcast you can find us. While you’re there, be sure and follow us so you never miss an episode. Maybe leave us a review. We have a new review. This is from Pre Run Donut. It says, “I came for the Peloton content but I stay for the professionalism and fun. Together, Crystal and Tom have created a fair thorough and organized package that keeps me up to date on all things Peloton while also satisfying my love for good quality all around. One of my favorite aspects of the show is that Crystal advocates for the perspectives and experiences of people from all across the Pelo spectrum.” Anyway, it’s a pretty lengthy review, which is wonderful to read. I’m sure it’s very helpful for people that come along after you. We won’t do all of it but thank you so much for the wonderful review. That’s very nice.

I read that one. It was really kind. Thank you so much, Darcy.

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We shall.

Peloton has launched their holiday marketing campaign with two new commercials I guess only one unless you travel back and forth between the continents.

They’re tiny.

Yes, they are, for people looking on YouTube.

They made a little Robin, a little Alex, a little Jon Hoskins, and a little tiny Hannah Frankson. They’re adorable. The whole gist of the ad is that you watch Peloton. You get inspired by Peloton, and then you take those lessons and inspirations that you get from the instructors, and you use it in your everyday life, in this particular example, to get ready for your family coming over for the holidays when you have done nothing and they’re arriving in 30 seconds. It’s not as cute as some of the other ones but I like it. I definitely like that they have a UK version and a US version. I thought it was interesting that we had thought about why were they all out in LA a little bit ago. Clearly, it was to do this commercial.

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It’s good to know that there is some sort of marketing campaign because they talked about how they’re not focusing on growth at the moment, but that doesn’t mean they’re completely ceding the territory of advertising during the holidays.

What’s interesting about it is they’re still pretty high focus on the bike. You don’t see the other products that they offer. There’s a little bit of it, but not very much. I think that’s interesting.

My theory there is that now they’re at a moment where they need to shore up their core brand, and the bike is the easy sell for them. I think that they want to jam that up so they’re focusing on bike stuff.

They keep talking about how they need to lean into this and lean into that, so you think there is a little more of the leaning. I think that’s to come. I don’t know.

I think it’s to come as well. Right now, it’s like showing up your core product and getting more people into that ecosystem. Maybe you’re selling them another product later. It’s a little bit more of an education to sell somebody on a Guide, even on a tread because people aren’t used to treads having classes. Treads are a solitary experience. You got to educate the runners because so many runners feel like, “I don’t need a class. I know how to run.”

You don’t have to educate people on bikes. They know spin classes. I don’t know if they can say spin legally yet or not, but people know what it is and it’s an easier pitch. Sell the thing that you’re good at selling and worry about the other thing when you fix this stuff. That’s my theory. Affirm stock price has plunged towards a record low. Affirm looked around and said, “That’s Peloton’s fault.”

They sent out a shareholders’ letter as part of earnings reports. They didn’t name Peloton in the shareholders’ letter, but they did say that there was one particular earnings partner that had not done as well as they thought it would.

They said, “We don’t want to name any names because we hate to embarrass Peloton.”

On the call, they were like, “It’s all Peloton.” I wanted to talk about this because I guess what we ought to do is talk about the numbers here and it’s all below. I don’t remember the numbers, but it’s something like in 2021 and 2020, it was in the 20%. In 2022, they’re saying that the GVM is only going to be 2% in the first quarter of 2023. What I found interesting about that is it makes it sound like that’s because of how little Peloton is selling, but I don’t think that’s the whole story. Peloton has completely shifted how they’re selling. Now that they’re selling at Dick’s Sporting Goods and Amazon, the money structure is different. They don’t need Affirm for those types of sales. At least the Amazon sales don’t need Affirm at all. I think that’s different. You made a good point when I was telling you that, about what else you think is going on there.

The bike rental program that they were saying is going way better than they anticipated. If you’re renting the bike, then you don’t need Affirm for that. Are Peloton sales down? Absolutely. N one is trying to tell you the Peloton sales aren’t down, but to say that Peloton sales have dropped so much that it’s crippling Affirm, I don’t know that that’s entirely accurate because there is a smorgasbord of reasons. Yes, sales are down. You can get it from Amazon. You can get it from Dick’s which may or may not use Affirm, and then you can rent a bike, which wouldn’t involve Affirm at all. Those things working in concert have taken a bite, but I don’t think you can lay it solely at the feet of declining sales.

I agree. I felt like that was important to cover because people just put these headlines out there and they don’t think about how it sounds. I thought we should put a little context around that for anybody that bothers to listen.

You’re so optimistic.

I know. I’ve had a lot of things be very not optimistic. I’m trying.

It was announced that Peloton has partnered with the Christopher & Dana Reeve Foundation to have accessible content, and Logan is taking the lead on that.

It’s the first Seated Adaptive Program. It’s a whole bunch of classes. I want to say there are 8 or 10 classes that were all seated, but they also have other classes with Ross Rayburn, for example, that’s meditation for caregivers. They have another twenty classes that are directed towards caregivers, and that’s in recognition of National Family Caregivers Month. I thought that was cool. You have these two things happening. There are ten classes for adaptive strength, but then also taking care of the caregivers that are out there caring for people.

I thought that was nice. I applaud this. I love seeing these collaborations because it’s something that if you are not in the community, you don’t think that Peloton would do. It’s something that you almost have to look for. If you’re a person who needs these adaptive classes, you’d have to go looking for them. I like that you can go find it by looking at the programs and the collections. They are right there. They’re easy to find.

Speaking of partnerships, Peloton is teaming up with Sporting Equals, which is part of Black History Month in the UK.

It’s also part of the Peloton Pledge. They’ve been working with Sporting Equals since 2021. This came out as part of that ESG report that we covered in the previous episode. I thought it was neat to be able to see that this particular partnership is having quite an impact. The program has successfully partnered with 13 different organizations. There are 17 different sports and physical activity programs for adults and ethnically diverse communities. I thought that was pretty cool. The program has reached over 970 participants, 713 of whom are women.

Peloton rolled out an apparel shopping link on the bike.

This was pretty cool. When we were doing our research, this was available in two different classes. That was all that we could find it on. One was Emma’s class, and then there was another class and it said, “Shop Emma’s look,” or “Shop Leanne’s look.” That’s what it said. What you do is you would click on it to say, “Yes, I want to see it,” and then it would send an email to you with links for the apparel that they were wearing. We put together a little article about it. Some of the things to consider are, are they going to do this across the board? I think this is one of the A/B testings for Barry.

I can’t imagine this wouldn’t roll out completely at some point. To me, it’s low-hanging fruit. My question was, why were they doing this five years ago?

There were several people that asked that question when I posted that. There were also several people that said, “I don’t want this when I’m exercising.”

I don’t even understand how some people like to masturbate to the idea of being mad about something. Who doesn’t sell you t-shirts? Your favorite band. Your favorite sports team.

My issue with it is it’s not why you’re exercising. There are 45 seconds in the class left. What is that doing? How is that ruining your experience? If you don’t want to click on it, hide it. I have said that I can’t stand it when my stalker keeps sending me stupid high-fives. They’re like, “Just ignore it,” then you just ignore the stupid link.

To me, this should have zero controversies about it. This is a smart idea. My only complaint about it is that it’s so obvious. It should have existed two years ago. I think it will generate a lot of revenue for a company that everybody says needs to find new ways to make money.

Not in the way they didn’t think of, Tom. Not in a way they don’t approve, so just settle down.

I’m like, “You can fight it.” People want to buy things. They want to buy that. If you’re a guy, you may be don’t.

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That’s the question. So far, this has only been tested on women’s apparel. Will it be tested on men’s apparel? That’s one of the questions that I have. Another question I have is, will we see non-Peloton apparel? For a lot of the instructors, the rule has typically always been you have to wear at least one Peloton thing. That’s more than fair. If they’re wearing something that is like Peloton on the top, and Adidas on the bottom, are they going to put an Adidas link in? How does that work when all the other instructors have all these deals with all these other companies? Who gets treated fairly? Who’s not treated fairly?

What I think happens or what I would be structuring is once they do this right and they established that it works because my guess is it will, then maybe it’s like, “Okay, Adidas, we will also put in a link for your leggings that match our shirt, but we get 15%,” or whatever. They start selling that link. There’s a way to make revenue in a way that isn’t necessarily intrusive. If somebody doesn’t want to do it, they just won’t include the link. It’s a way to generate some revenue and a fairly turnkey manner.

I agree. I don’t see the big deal and people have been asking for it forever. They are always like, “What is somebody wearing? What is Olivia wearing?”

We have a whole segment on the show about that. Peloton shut that.

They shut it down. A lot of people are wondering if this is why. They’ve been working on this for a long time, so maybe.

Here’s my question. Are we going to see it for non-apparel stuff like buying Tunde’s book?

I don’t know. I will say that would not make as much sense to me because this is specifically what an instructor is wearing in this class. I could see still having it but outside of the class. Right now, you go on to the bike and it’ll say, “We just launched this new program.” That would be the appropriate place for Tunde’s book, in my mind. How do you make it fair to all the instructors? They’re all shelling out. They’re all showing some things. Where is that line?

That would be something to sort out. Also, you can now have an all-class selector available in iOS. Did I sound like I knew what I was talking about?

No, but I liked that you tried. This is funny because this is one that Android has had for months. I know it was six months ago that this came out on Android. It’s the only time Android has gotten something before iOS. It finally showed up on iOS. Some people are saying they still don’t see it. I don’t know. You have to have the newest version of iOS for it to work. For all I know, Peloton is still rolling it out slowly.

It’s great to have because it’s a pain in the ass if you’re on the app and you’re like, “What classes are happening in the next six hours?” Now you got to go, “Cycling classes, running classes, meditation classes.” To have this all button is life-changing. I immediately had to tag Gina in it because she has been saying this to me probably weekly for about five years. She’s like, “Why is this not on the app?” As soon as I saw it, I was like, “Gina, it’s finally here.”

We had a couple of different Peloton pop culture appearances. This is a story I broke. I broke a story. It only took six years of podcasting. There is a Peloton mentioned in the New Black Panther movie. It is not plot related. It is not even said by a major character. This is not a spoiler in any way.

If it bothers you, stop listening. If you don’t want to know anything about the movie, please stop. Skip 30 seconds to 45 seconds until we’re past it.

Julia Louis-Dreyfus’s character makes a suggestive comment and uses Peloton as a punch line in her sexual innuendo about things she’s writing. It was funny because I’m in the movie. You didn’t go with me to this one.

You didn’t even ask?

You said you didn’t want to go. You said how busy your day was.

I thought you only had one ticket.

No, you could have gone. You were going on and on about how tired you are. It’s nice to see how people talk about whether Peloton is still relevant.

It made it to the hottest movie franchise in the last twenty years.

There’s a good chance this could probably even be the highest-grossing film of the year with the way things are going. I take that back. There’s no way it’s beaten Top Gun.

I don’t think it can beat Top Gun.

I was like, “Wait, Maverick. It could be the second highest-grossing movie of the year.”

It was long though. You say it’s 2 hours and 40 minutes.

If you haven’t seen it yet, there’s no end-credit sequence. Don’t stay until the end.

Don’t watch all 2 hours and 40 minutes, and then sit there for 10 minutes of credits.

There is a mid-credit sequence that you definitely want to stay for, but after that, you’re done. Beat the traffic. Let the nerds give you the dirty look, and then they’ll feel bad for having waited for an hour. Also, while we were talking about pop culture appearances from Peloton, they made it yet again in SNL.

What did you think of this one?

I didn’t even watch the sketch.

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I just read it but I could totally hear the guy who plays Biden. What’s the guy’s name?

I don’t know. He just started last season.

Anyway, the guy playing the character of Biden said that every morning he’s tempting his fate by riding the Peloton. I was like, “Heart attack joke two weeks in a row. Alright.”

I don’t know how exercise is tempting fate. That seems like that’s delaying fate.

It is, but ever since that stupid thing on Sex in the City, that’s what people say. It’s shorthand because it’s lazy. It’s lazy because it’s relevant. I’m just pointing that out yet again.

There was a Peloton Row showcase at PSNY.

I chose this particular picture because this is all five of the row instructors. The new row instructor Alex, not Alex Toussaint, posted that he couldn’t wait for all of them to be in the same place to see if they were actually the same height as in this picture. Spoiler, they’re not. Matt is about 8 inches shorter than everybody else. It’s especially funny because he looks almost the exact same height as Adrian, and Adrian is really tall.

They’re all kind of floating in the ether.

They scoot him around.

Maybe Adrian is standing 8 feet behind everybody else.

I’m sure they pulled all these from different ones because they haven’t been in the same place yet. It’s fun that people are going to get to go and try it out at Peloton Studios. They’re going to get to meet all the instructors. Several people were invited to that and I’m sure we’re going to hear about it because we’ve got some people that reached out to me. I’m excited to hear more about that.

John Foley is back, dramatic pause, in business, not at Peloton.

They are launching a direct-to-consumer rug brand. I say “they” because there are three of the original cofounders of Peloton that are going to be part of this.

They need someone to try these out. I’ve never thought about getting a toupee.

No. They are rugs on your floor.

I know people are looking at this and going, “That’s weird.”

Many people thought they made a lot of funny jokes. I didn’t think they were that funny. I’m a little annoyed. Why are you making fun of this man starting over? First, you’re rude to him for all of the things that are happening, and then you’re like, “He made a comeback. Let me F on that too.” I don’t get it.

I will say this. I look at this and go, “Is there a demand for that?” A decade ago, people would have said the same thing about a Peloton bike. You don’t know.

How many years did it take for him to find funding for Peloton in Silicon Valley because nobody thought that it was going to be a thing? I have no idea if this is going to be a thing. I did hear through the grapevine that this is not something that has been in play since he left Peloton. This has been in play for quite a while. That’s what I heard. This has been kicking around his brain. It’s been something that’s been on his mind that he’s wanted to do for quite a while.

It’ll be interesting because I know there are other companies where you can buy a rug and it comes to your house. I don’t know what’s the difference there.

Some of it is it’s being sent to your house. It’s customizable. The ones you’re talking about are the Ruggable thing where you can wash them. I don’t think that’s what this is. Regardless of whether or not it is going to work, he’s already raised $25 million for it. People seem to have thought that whatever he was going to do next automatically had to be in fitness. I think that’s why there’s so much pushback on this. Why did you ever think that?

Before, he was at Barnes & Noble.

He’s an ideas guy, not just a fitness guy. He has multi-facets.

It would be different if he spent his entire career in fitness, and now he’s like, “Here’s a rug.”

He’s about solving problems. The only actual criticism that I saw that I thought was warranted was somebody was like, “This is cronyism at its finest.” I agree with that. I love Hisao Kushi and John Foley but I think that’s a valid criticism. I don’t think they’re doing anything wrong. It’s like the same people have wealth. The same people are always doing these things.

I understand the frustration and I share it a lot of times in other fields, but I will also say that when we started doing Tonal stuff, and we decided to start The Superset, we didn’t find other people to host it. We did that. These people are friends and you tend to work with your friends, which is what I try to impress on our kids so much. Networking is important. Part of the value of going to Harvard is you’re going to be able to network with people who are getting into a school like Harvard. Just to be clear, our kids aren’t going to Harvard. They are not smart enough and we are not rich enough, so there’s no way that’s going to happen.

I just want to be clear. I’m not saying that I personally have a problem with it. I thought it was the only thing that came out of people’s mouths that was actually a valid criticism, and that it’s always the same people. Not that they specifically did anything wrong. This, “It’s not fitness. He’s fallen so low, ” there were a lot of shitty comments from a lot of people. I don’t think they think they’re being shitty. They think they’re being funny. I don’t even know why it upsets me because John Foley is over there making all the cash and he didn’t care. I guess I just take it personally. What I think bothers me the most about it is people only want you to be successful for so long. They only have your back for so long, and then as soon as you get to a certain level, they turn on you.

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That is always the case. People love to build you up and tear you down. You can watch that cycle in this country over and over again.

Yes, fair-weather fans. I’m happy for him and I hope it goes well.

I hope we get a free rug out of it.

We never got anything else free, so I don’t think that’s going to happen.

This might be a first. We’ve had lots of weeks or back-to-back, we’ve had lawsuit news. We’ve had lots of weeks where we’ve had back-to-back announcements of different lawsuits. I don’t think we’ve ever had back-to-back weeks of announcements of lawsuits being resolved.

I agree with you. I will say the new management up there at Peloton, I feel like there is a giant game of whack-a-mole, and there are all these lawsuits coming out of the whack-a-mole holes. They are the moles instead of the actual moles. Somebody is up there just knocking them out like, “Settle, settle, settle.”

It’s like, “Let’s not worry about this stuff.” Peloton and Echelon have announced a settlement of all pending litigation.

I’m happy to see it. Echelon has agreed that it will cease using Peloton’s patented leaderboard technology and on-demand classes. They’re going to stop copying this one aspect of Peloton. Good job.

One down, 45 to go. For fans of Echelon, fear not, they retain the right to continue to suck it.

For all of you that are worried, we are going to stop bagging on Echelon. Not today.

No, that’s not going to happen. That is proprietary and they own that outright. It is theirs to keep.

We are happy to see that they are settled and it says neither company will be making any further comment. They left it to us.

You’re welcome, Barry.

Joining us once again is Dr. Jenn Mann, licensed marriage, family and child therapist, and Sports Psychology consultant. She was a five-year national team member in rhythmic gymnastics, and sports psychology for USA gymnastics. It’s Dr. Jenn.


We’ve got a fun one from Alex Murkowski. It’s a little bit long of a question, but you’ll understand when I get through it. She has been riding her bike for five years and she was very proud of her fitness level, but then her husband started riding about six months ago and has already surpassed her based on FTP. You know what FTP is. That’s the power that they use to calculate their power zones. That’s where that’s specifically coming from. She understands this may seem ridiculous, but how does she get past her jealousy/resentment? She is a competitive person and it’s killing her that in a few months, he has passed her in what took five years. She understands he’s a man but it’s not FAIR. Any tips on taming this jealousy would be welcomed.

This would so be you if I have ridden the bike and this happens.

I would stay off the damn bike. I’ll give you permission.

First of all, we have to start with the premise that that’s not fair. Unfortunately, life is not fair. Different people have different strengths and different weaknesses. There are some people who have naturally great endurance. I personally have had to work very hard for mine. There are other people who it’s easy for them. They can just pick up unbelievable amounts of weight and it’s easy for them.

People like Dr. Jenn that run really fast and make it look effortless.

At the same time, despite that, when I get on the bike, I’m always in the bottom 1/3 of the class. We have to be careful. We have to look at where being competitive helps us and where it hurts us. I am a very competitive person. I was on the national team in rhythmic gymnastics for five years. I performed in the ’84 Olympics. I was trained by a hardcore Russian gymnastics coach to be a killer. Yet, when it comes to Peloton, I’m not at all competitive.

I want people to get past me on the leaderboard. I’ll high-five them, “Go girl,” because for me, it would take away from the fun of the experience. It wouldn’t be fun if I felt like I had to beat other people. She needs to look at what are the dynamics between her and her husband. What would she like the vibe to be in the relationship? Eric lifts unbelievable amounts of weight. I would never even think of competing with him in that area. I love it and I’m proud of him. I think it’s amazing. He’s one of the strongest humans on the planet that I’ve ever met. That’s great. I feel pride in his strength.

She may need to switch it out and be like, “What’s going on that this is preventing me from feeling happy for him? How great that he’s accomplishing this.” Maybe she can start to be happy for him and start to look at areas in her life where she gets to be on the podium, where she gets to have something that is natural. Maybe she’s a better artist than him. Maybe she’s a better writer. Maybe she’s better at running or stretching or something else, and to make peace with all of that. We have to look at where being competitive serves us of where it doesn’t. This isn’t serving her. This is causing her pain. She’s accomplished so much over five years that she needs to remain proud of.

I definitely agree. Although, I will say there are times when it’s hard to take stock of things that you do well, and to be able to see that in a prideful way. We’ve talked about it on the show before. Sometimes when it’s your accomplishment, it is like, “Anybody can do it if I can do it.” You can even brush off the things you do better than other people. Yet, this one thing is stuck in your head that they’re doing better.

Anytime you find yourself doing that, it’s time to self-reflect and to look at, “What was it in my childhood that made me feel like what I was doing wasn’t special, that I didn’t deserve that recognition, that I somehow should be overlooked?” That’s where a lot of the work is. We get trained at a very early age in a lot of households not to pat ourselves on the back. It’s important that we learned to pat ourselves on the back. When we can do that, we become less focused on other people’s accomplishments and need their approval because we can provide it for ourselves.

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I feel like that’s a very Midwestern thing, don’t pat yourself on the back. We grew up in very different households, but we both still have that same mentality. I have to remind her all the time of the things that she does well.

You probably can see it clearly with her, but not much with yourself. You’re like, “What do you mean you’re not patting? That’s amazing what you just did.”

There are certain things he’s good at patting himself on the back, but like Tonal, for example. His strength score is stupidly high. He’s always like, “Whatever. I don’t know.”

There’s an interesting study that came out. I talked about it in my book. They’ve found that couples who celebrate each other’s successes have better numbers when it comes to the longevity of the relationship. I never thought about it in terms of Peloton, but maybe she can shake it up and instead celebrate it like, “You beat your PR. Let’s have a special dinner.” Maybe he can acknowledge her and help her to appreciate how far she’s come when she breaks her PR. That doesn’t have to be that they are competing against each other. As they compete against themselves and they improve, they can both celebrate each other.

She doesn’t say how he’s responding. Hopefully, he’s just doing his thing and she happens to be noticing it. That’s my assumption because that would be Tom and me. He would not say anything.

If it’s not the case and let’s say he is making a big deal of it or being competitive with her, have a conversation to say, “This is something that’s important to me. I’ve worked for five years to build this up. I’m feeling demoralized and discouraged when you’re making such a big deal of how much further along you are than me. I need your support.” Asking for what we need in our relationships is such an important skill.

If she’s a competitive person and he’s a competitive person, that might be at some times a productive component of the relationship or a fun aspect of the relationship. I would suggest maybe finding a metric that is more balanced. If you still want to have some sort of way to compete that is more fair. There are different metrics you can use like the number of rides or the number of minutes.

Somebody went on to say in this thread, because this went back and forth, that she’s still beating him because she’s a smaller person and has lost weight. When you look at FTP divided by weight, she’s more powerful than he is whenever you normalize it, and weight is how you normalize it. That is accurate. If you wanted to have the most apples-to-apples thing that you could be using, that would be a better one, the FTP by weight. That takes your kilograms and says, “This person weighs 100 pounds and has this output. This person weighs 200 pounds and has this output. They look like this. Whenever you take the weight into it, now it’s closer to this or in this case, it’s like this.” Does that make sense?

It does, but I still think it’s focusing on the wrong thing, being competitive with someone in your family, whether it’s a sibling, a spouse, or a parent. I don’t think it serves me unless you’re Venus and Serena. Enjoy your ride. Do what it takes to enjoy your ride. Sometimes you got to put on blinders and not pay attention to what other people are doing, even people who you love, and find other ways to support each other.

It’s funny. I love watching the way the two of you approach the problem. One is a licensed therapist and one is a project manager. Crystal solves the topic and Dr. Jenn addresses the issue and the emotions. I find that fascinating.

That serves our friendship.

It serves our marriage. Thank you so much for that. Until next time, where can people find you?

You can find me not being competitive on social media @DrJennMann or you can find me in InStyle Magazine. I have a weekly column called Hump Day With Dr. Jenn.

Thank you.

Becs Gentry is on episode 4 of In All Hours.

It is a partnership with Oura Ring. She talks about how Oura Ring tracked the differences that started occurring in her body before she even knew that she was pregnant or at the very beginning of her pregnancy. She talks openly about how she had a miscarriage before, so she didn’t trust her body, and the Oura Ring showed those changes starting to happen and allowed her to have a little more trust within her body.

It’s always interesting the way technology is getting to the point that it can know things before you do.

I’ve never used the Oura Ring but I know it does a lot of similar things to what the Whoop does. That is crazy how accurate it is. I can always tell when my PMS symptoms are starting to happen because I feel fine but all of my stats just went to sh*t.

I can normally tell you when they’re starting. Have I ever told you the story about Target and their target marketing?

I don’t think so.

This happened about 15 or 20 years ago. A dad stormed into a Target, outraged. He’s like, “How dare you send this to my 15-year-old daughter. It was a thing about, “We sell all this stuff for pregnant women. We have prenatal vitamins. We have this and we have that.” The manager was like, “I’m a manager of Target. I don’t control that.” The manager is trying to backpedal as best as he can. Apparently, Target had set up this thing where I guess you had the Target card, and when you bought certain things in combination, it triggered it to know or think or assume that you are probably pregnant, and it sent something to this teenager.

They apologized profusely, and then six weeks later, the dad comes back and she was pregnant. Apparently, Target knew before she did because of the things she was buying. It wasn’t like she bought a pregnancy test and they sent it to her. They never said what she was buying, but there were certain things in them that if you bought them at the same time or in close proximity. I just thought that was fast. The next episode of LOL Cody will feature Carly Rae Jepsen.

There will also be a guest instructor. Kendall will be there as well.

He gets a nice big write-up about that in Pop Sugar.

It looks like they’re going to be covering this for all of the episodes. If you want to see what’s going to happen on the next episode, if you watch each week, you’ll be able to get the full rundown before it happens.

The UK is getting a new tread instructor.

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This got posted on Joslyn Thompson Rule’s Instagram, Hannah Frankson. They blurred out one of the instructors and it’s like, “It’s the team tread UK chat. It goes from 4 to 5. Who’s it going to be?” I think it’s going to be Hannah Frankson, but that’s just me.

Putting your money on the table, making your bets.

It just feels right.

Robin Arzon was on Twitter Spaces, talking about Web3, trying to explain it to people.

She was trying to explain what this swagger solution or whatever it’s called is going to do. They were talking about Web3 in general and why is she doing this thing called Swagger Society. This went on for quite a while. One of the questions was what exactly is swagger society going to do and what exactly is it for? It was hard to tell because a lot of this conversation was just buzzword after buzzword. If you read between the lines, this is what I got from it. She is looking to have conversations that are more one-on-one. She says that it’s unprecedented access to her. I don’t think I actually believe that but I am willing to see.

I don’t know how it could be. There’s no technology that’s going to make it possible for her to talk to 1,000 people directly one on one.

What she was saying was Web1 and Web2 are all one-way conversations. By that, she specifically said that people go on and they make a comment. I disagree with that because you comment back and forth so you can reply to that. Apparently, that’s not good enough. On Web3, it’s supposedly more dynamic where you can have a conversation. I’m not seeing it. I don’t get it.

I don’t know how a person like this could have the bandwidth to do that. I mean metaphorically, in her head. It was confusing because we’re talking about something that actually also uses bandwidth, but she doesn’t have the time or energy. I’m not saying she’s not energetic.

She was talking about how there will be personalized drops into people’s lockers, because there’s some kind of locker or something that is going to be there. This is still being built out. These things could all change. I don’t know what it is going to look like. I want to be clear. I’m not even skeptical of Robin. I’m skeptical of Web3. I don’t understand why people say it’s more dynamic than 1 or 2. I don’t understand how it’s different.

I keep hearing the pitch but I don’t hear an actual explanation.

Part of what they’re saying is that Web1 was just a flat web page.

It’s just a web page. You go to and you can read a flyer about coke.

Web2 is the social media aspect. They’re seeing that Web1 and Web2 were more disparate, and that it can be more cohesive in Web3. I guess without seeing it in action, I’m just not seeing that. I’ve looked around at some of the Discord stuff that’s out there for some of these organizations. I’m not a Discord fan so that’s on me, but I think you’ve got to be able to get into this.

Is Discord Web3?

No, but it’s one of the places where you can interact about Web3.

This is like in a chat room, right?

That’s what I’m saying. To me, this takes us back twenty years not forward.

It’s like, “Congratulations, you’ve invented Instant Messenger.”

It’s more than that because you’re talking to so many people at the same time. It’s almost like Reddit and a chat room.

It’s like message boards when people started going crazy for the narrative podcast. I’m like, “Congratulations, you’ve invented Old Time Radio.”

I don’t know. I hope I would get more clarity about what it actually is that she was doing, and I didn’t. At the end of the day, she’s saying that it’s going to deepen relationships. She’s not looking for this to get her a bunch of followers. What she’s looking to do is to have more deepened conversations with a more select group. I don’t think that’s going to be what happens, but I will say this.

She also went on to say that the reason this is so important to her is because she was listening to all of these boys club types have all these conversations. She was like, “There are no women in these spaces. There are no people of color in these spaces having these conversations.” She wanted to get in on it. That’s why this is important to her. It is because she doesn’t want a whole nother generation of Medium to occur without people that she feels like she represents and without her specifically. Those are good things to say. I said this much to you. I want to understand this because I don’t want to be left behind. The world is changing whether I like it or not, whether I’m on board with Web3 or not, it’s happening. I want to know more about it.

I’ve yet to see someone show it to me where it’s like, “This is what it does.”

Part of it is because it’s got to have something to do with Blockchain. That’s certainly part of it, but that’s not the only piece of it. There are a lot of people who are in this space and all they focus on are cryptocurrencies, blockchain, NFTs, and those kinds of things. There is a whole conversation happening outside of that. People need more education about that side of it, but we will continue to update you as I learned more. I am very invested in finding out exactly what this is. When I find out without buzzwords, I will tell you.

Erik Jaeger took over Tobias Heinze’s Instagram to give some updates on the Manaslu Trail expedition or whatever it is called.

This is stage one. Look at that mountain. That’s insane.

I thought that was a graph of some kind.

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That’s a graph of the ascent. It’s the elevation.

His tracking of him has recreated the profile of that mountain.

The important thing is this is only stage one. That’s the incredible part. I can’t quite see the numbers on here. I should have memorized them. In total, just on stage one, we’re talking about 2,000 meters. The descent is 1,600 meters. The longest ascent is going to be 1,300 meters. The longest descent is 1,480 meters. His checkpoint time is going to be 16 kilometers. The fastest time that has ever occurred for men is 2 hours, 59 minutes, and 20 seconds. The slowest time was 8 hours and 50 seconds. We are rooting for Tobias. I am so excited to be watching this journey. I will continue to give more updates as they occur. I guess in the next episode, it should in theory be done. I hope he’s hanging in there. This is scary.

It’s a lot.

Every week, we collect your fitness and nutrition questions, and then we throw them to Angelo. Whatever he can’t duck, he answers.

Hey, guys.

One of our listeners, Jenna Lund Murphy, would like to know some tips about how to increase protein without increasing cholesterol.

Actually, I’ve been talking about this with another client. Jenna, what you want to do is you want your plant-based proteins. There’s a whole bunch of them out there. Unfortunately, when people ask me this, they’re typically asking, “What brand? What product?” What I’m going to do is I’m going to give you categories instead of a specific brand or product because if I give you a brand or product, by the time you read this, they may have changed their formulation. It may not even be on the market anymore. These companies are constantly changing up what they’re making.

Think about the principles of what what you’re looking for. You want to increase your protein. There are lots of protein sources that are non-animal sources. What you can do is you can get protein from legumes, nuts, seeds, etc. Those most people know about, and that’s a great way. Protein powder is such an easy way to supplement. A little bit will go a long way. With a lot of my more plant-based dieters, sometimes I’ll have them do half a serving of a vegetarian or vegan protein powder in just a little water as a supplement once twice a day to bring that protein up, or even with a specific meal where it may be a little bit low.

Another option that you have is there are so many high-protein veggie burgers out there. There’s a plethora of options. What you’re looking for is a combination of high protein and modest carbohydrates because most of them will have some carbohydrates in them and that is okay. What you don’t want to be is upside down, where it’s basically a carb burger because a lot of times the qualifications and labeling for it to say high in protein are pretty modest. They can say high in protein and it still is mostly carbs.

What they can say is it’s high in protein or protein add. What you’re looking for is twice the protein as the carb. That’s a rule of thumb, and you’re going to be able to find lots of different brands that have that. In other words, if it has 20 grams of protein, and 10 grams of carbs or thereabout, you’re golden. That’s going to be a high-protein, great vegetarian burger that you can use to supplement. There are now squeezing in between the lines here when people are asking about cholesterol and things like that.

There are some animal proteins that are often recommended on a lot of people’s diets, even when they’re trying to reduce saturated fat or cholesterol. Take that up with your doctor and your protocol. For example, good fish is high in omega-3, etc. like salmon. That can be a great way. Maybe that’s not what you’re looking for. You want a vegetarian option that’s a little different, but for people wanting something with good fats, you can get some fish.

Other things you can do is incorporate a little bit of dietary dairy such as egg whites without the yolk, skip the fat, or just get the protein, such as low-fat cottage cheese, or low-fat string cheese. You’re still in the boat of getting some cholesterol, but there are ways of doing it to reduce and decrease saturated fats, which in some cases are looked at as more of the villain. Balance there is key.

I was having this conversation with one of my clients because he said that his doctor is kicking him into high gear. He thinks he’s ready to do some of the stuff I’ve been encouraging him. He’s been inching towards it. I got to give him some credit. Now we’re going more than inches. We’re going to sprint. Where we landed is he’s going to do a plant-based day, but allow himself some animal protein at night. For him, it’s going to be a reduction of animal protein by 70%, but it’s not an increase in pain by 70%.

Find that balance for you. That’s what I typically tell my clients because in this area or in this realm, people say, “Isn’t straight vegan the best?” I’m not interested in what’s best. I’m more interested in what you’ll do. I’m interested in what you’ll follow through with. If you have that lifestyle, awesome, but if that is not your history and there’s nothing in your history that would suggest you’re going to make that transition.

I feel like this is directed at me.

I think you’re projecting your own guilt. That’s what it is.

He’s like, “I would not recommend this to anyone else. I know it’s as close as what we’re going to get for you.”

It’s true. A lot of people will get hung up on what’s best. I have to bring them into what’s balanced and what’s sustainable because ultimately, that will be best. There are lots of great options out there. There are also things like tofu. I know that that brings up the question, “Is that going to throw off estrogen level?” You’d have to have quite a bit of it for that to be an issue. If you put it in the rotation with your black bean burgers, protein burgers, legumes, nuts, seeds, and protein powder, you’re probably going to be fine. It’s when you start living off of one ingredient or another that we ran into issues. Hopefully, that will give Jenna a few ideas.

I think it will. Those are a lot of good ideas.

Thank you. If people would like stuff like this tailor-made for them in their fitness journey, where can they find you?

The New York Times wrote about Ashton Kutcher and his marathon journey, Why Ashton Kutcher is running his first, and maybe last, marathon.

Can I just say I am so impressed with this man? He has raised more than $1 million for Thorn just by doing this. That’s incredible. This was all his idea. According to this article, he reached out to Peloton and said, “I would like to do this with you. All I want in return is for you to put the link at the end of each class. I don’t want you to pay me a penny.”

That’s a good deal for Peloton.

Not only is it a good deal, but I’ve been a fan of Ashton Kutcher. Learning about what he has done for Thorn, I have learned a lot about the not-for-profit watching his classes. I enjoyed it. He also does a great job at hosting Q&A. People think that all we do is get on here and talk, and it’s that simple. It’s not. There’s a lot of thought that goes into it. This man has thought a lot about it. He put a lot of thought into those questions, and he kept the conversation going. That is not as easy to do.

Anyone who ever attempts it realizes it very quickly.

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There are a lot of people that are self-involved and don’t know that actually, but the good ones do. My hat’s off to him. He did an amazing job. He not only finished the marathon but he finished it in under four hours, which is incredible. That’s a great time. He had talked to Dr. Agus about why he might only ever do one. Whenever Dr. Agus was on, he talked about how marathons are actually one of the things that are more dangerous that you could do in life.

We even talked about this in another episode. It’s dangerous because the more you run, the larger your heart is trying to get to compensate for all of this activity you’re doing. It’s fine to run a marathon, but doing a whole bunch of marathons is not necessarily great for everybody because your heart, that’s not what it’s meant to do, according to Dr. Agus. It’s fine to do 1 or 2 a year, but doing a whole bunch in one year is not necessarily a good idea. I don’t know if that’s what he was referring to, but I’m curious to see if he ends up doing another one. Either way, my hat’s off to him. I thought it was cool.

The Hydrow team is doing some smack talking about Peloton Row.

What do you think of that?

It seemed a little petty. It seemed like they were concerned.

They are. They’d be dumb to not be. I get it. It’s frustrating that you came out with this thing and you did all the research and you put it all forward, and then somebody else comes along.

It does sound from a little bit we heard that if you’re on the actual rower, if you get in the boat and there’s water next to you, Hydrow replicates that more accurately than Peloton does. For the average person that wants a rowing machine, it sounds like the Peloton Row is better and probably more cost-effective if you already have Peloton equipment.

I would agree with that, and also the Hydrow from what I understand is not quiet like the Peloton. I’m not saying that it’s a super loud thing like the Peloton tread, but when we tried the Peloton Row, it was silent. There was no sound.

It’s funny when people are surprised like, “It’s so quiet.” Why do you give a sh*t? You’re just going to get on and play Lizzo at an 11. Who cares how loud it is? You’re going to drown it out.

Some people workout when their spouses or loved ones are asleep or whatever. I can understand wanting that, but I don’t know. I also think that Hydrow is probably a little sad. They’ve been talked about as the Peloton of rowing.

Now Peloton is the Peloton of rowing. My guess is they’ve probably used that in one-on-one conversations with people. That’s their elevator pitch and all of a sudden, there’s a high degree of probability that they’re going to be perceived as a knock-off when they’re not.

That’s true and they definitely did come out with it first. I will say that Peloton had been working on that rower for a very long time. I still think that we knew about Peloton rower before Hydrow came out. I don’t know who did what first, but I will say Hydrow has known for a long time that Peloton was coming.

How long until these lawsuits come?

That’s a great question. Who did what for patents when? That’s going to be what it’s going to come down to. I hope everybody has their sh*t together on this one. Let’s not do it again, folks, but they will.

The New York Times has an article, For fitness buffs and landlords, gyms are hot again.

Talk about some smack-talking. Talking about how nobody needs a Peloton anymore. There are people that love to be in person at gyms. That’s always going to be a thing. It’s so funny. I’ve done some other podcasts where I talk to people who for the most part have never used a Peloton. They’re either personal trainers or they’re just fit and they’ve used gyms or whatever. It’s so interesting because every time I talk to them, these people are always like, “I really like to go to the gym.” I always say to them, “That’s great, but people like me are super intimidated by the gym, so Peloton is freeing me.” I think that there is a place in the world for both.

There are people who love the gym who cannot understand why people don’t love the gym.

I hate the gym. Peloton is the only place I’ve ever felt at home. The only reason I feel at home there is because the community makes me feel at home. If I didn’t use Peloton and I walked by the Peloton studio, I would never go in there.

Here’s what gyms are. This is the analogy that will sum up gyms for people. There are stick shifts and some people love stick shifts. They think that if you’re not using the stick shift, you’re not really driving the car. It’s just a go-kart. Some people will only use the stick shift. Everything else is for the weak and you’re dumb. There are some people who enjoy a stick shift on the weekends, but in day-to-day traffic, they like their automatic. There’s the bulk of the world which is like, “I don’t need another part-time job. Just give me an automatic car.” I’ve never learned to drive a stick and that’s fine.

If we ever need one, I can drive us. I got it.

It’s hard to find a stick-shift car. I feel like gyms are becoming like stick shifts for people.

They are not as hard to find as stick shifts. I know somebody is going to mention it, not because you’re wrong.

We’re five years into connected fitness. We’re not 25 years into connected fitness. There are always going to be people who love the gym and they will exist, but you’re not going to have near as many and one on every corner, which is going to make it more likely that people pivot to home stuff. As there are fewer and fewer options, your drive to a gym is going to get longer and longer, and it’s going to get less and less appealing, the same way that people pivoted to automatics because they were less necessary. More cars were automatic. You had less need to learn to drive a stick and it just withered.

It’s funny because it’s all about technology. There are weeks when I don’t leave the house unless I go for a run because we don’t go to the grocery store. We don’t go shopping at a real store. We order everything online. I work at home. I would not leave the house to go to the gym. I would hate that. That would be awful. I love being able to workout at home on my schedule. It’s amazing.

Jenn Sherman had a class that seems very popular with people based on the comments I see that I don’t pay attention.

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She did a sold-out show that was all Billy Joel live at Yankee Stadium. It happened on Saturday, November 5th at noon, Eastern. People raved about it. It’s Jenn Sherman. Of course, they’re going to rave about it. She loves Billy Joel. Who doesn’t love Billy Joel?

Lots of people.

You say that about any artist.

This is to commemorate the Yankee Stadium show that he did in 1990.

It was June 22nd and 23rd of 1990.

I believe they just reissued it on Blu-Ray and CD.

I thought that was interesting because when I first saw this pop-up, I was like, “That’s so random.” You were like, “Nope, they’re doing this whole thing with re-release” I thought it was interesting. Why doesn’t the marketing department say that? It says, “Live at Yankee Stadium,” but why doesn’t it say, “We’re re-releasing this,” and push that?

I assume it’s because of that because I know he’s got a re-release that’s coming out, but I don’t know why it wouldn’t.

I just thought it was weird that it wasn’t pushed. I’m glad that she got to do it. I know how much she loves Billy Joel. I’m sure being able to do a class that was all Billy Joel, it’s perfect.

Joining us is Krissy Blackwood. How is it going?

How are you?

It has been a while since you’ve been here. I think it was July 2018.

So much has changed and stayed the same, but the world feels like a totally different place now

That’s because we had an entire pandemic between our conversations.

I still can’t believe it. Hopefully, it’s all mostly behind us.

There are times that I will call it 2020 still because my brain is stuck with the day we got stuck.

You feel like you got cheated out of that year and a half to two years. You’re like, “None of that counts. It’s still 2020 now.”

I should still be 42 in 2020.

We should get these years back.

There are probably a lot of people here that have never heard your story. I know it’s shocking, but not everybody goes back to the beginning of almost 300 episodes now and tunes in from day one. There are people that might have missed your story. You have always been an inspiration to me personally. If it had not been for you and all of the crew who ended up doing Atlantic City and your Ironman journey, I don’t think that I ever would have started running the way that I did. I still consider myself very much a slow runner, but none of that would’ve happened had it not been for you, Tracy, Chris, Fred, and all of you guys. I know I’m leaving people out and I don’t mean to. It was a whole group. It was a whole thing.

It was wild. It was a whole thing that like happened and everyone was joining forces, doing it together and cheering each other on. It’s been quite a journey. I’m thrilled to have been a part of your journey, Crystal. It’s fun watching you run.

Tell us when you officially started running.

I started running in 2016. This all started at the end of 2015 when I bought my Peloton bike because we all shared that common love. At that point, my youngest child was two and a half years old. It was finally when I could start exercising and having a little bit of time for myself. The whole bike thing started and I was a very loyal 6:00 AM live rider with the rest of my 6:00 AM people.

Do you still take classes at 6:00 AM?

I do. I wish they were live. I wish it was like our old crew like the old times. Times have changed, but we still talk almost daily. I started riding religiously at 6:00 AM. I was seeing my fitness improve. I was feeling better about myself. I was feeling stronger and more confident, and then my mother was diagnosed with stage-four lung cancer. She lived in Upstate New York, right outside of Albany. I was her power of attorney in her healthcare proxy and her person. She was also legally deaf. She needed people to do the phones and everything else.

I was traveling there almost every week. Sometimes it would only be for a day or a few days, but there was no Peloton bike there. There was a beautiful trail right behind her house. That’s where I started streaming the 6:00 AM from my headphones and I ran. At the time with the app, you couldn’t text and listen to it at the same time. After the thing was over there would be this string of IMs from our 6:00 AM group talking about the ride, but for me was a run.

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Back then, Peloton was so much smaller. The instructors would start hearing that I was doing this running thing at the same time. I started getting shout-outs when I wasn’t even on the bike and running. Jenn Sherman would be like, “ Krissy, that means you need to run faster. Everyone else cranks up your resistance.” It got a little crazy, but that’s how it started.

How do you increase your resistance? Do you pick up a branch or something? She’s got to pick up a branch if she has more resistance.

I got to haul it.

Fast would be your cadence.

She had to do what she had. You wanted to pick up a rock.

Grab a branch land in the woods or a small woodland creature.

Jennifer Jacobs was still there and I still have arm envy for her. Remember she would do the arms on the bike with the shadow boxing? I would do that running as she could see me. I look like an idiot. I’m running and shadowboxing at the same time. That’s how the whole running thing got started. It was because my mother was sick. It was the only way for me to get exercise and connect with my 6:00 AM group. We created a family. They were my support system. It turned into my therapy and my everything. I fell in love with it. I randomly got selected. I entered the lottery for the New York City Marathon and got picked, which doesn’t happen.

My dear friend Malia Herman from Hawaii was the one who planted the seed about the World Marathon Majors. She was there at the New York City finish line. This was back in 2017. I’m running behind a trail behind my mother’s house. I am not New York City Marathon material. I grew up in a tiny town. I’m way out of my league but I caught the itch. It’s hard to describe how incredible that feeling is of doing the marathon and the crowds. Howie Godnick talks about his running of the New York City Marathon. You feel like you’re in the Super Bowl. Carrie is such a rockstar with all of her marathons.

It is contagious. You get the itch and then you ride the wave of everybody else who’s doing it. They’re fueling you and you’re fueling them. It took on a life of its own. This World Marathon Major thing became a thing, but it was in the background. At the same time, because I love my bike and I love to run, Candace Ryan was like, “We should do the Atlantic City Half Ironman. Wasn’t that a great idea?” It was a terrible idea, but we did it anyway. All this took out of life all of its own. Carol coming to cheer us on and you guys doing the relay, Tracy, Chris and the stooges. It became a thing. It’s been been a piece of my life that I will never forget and I will cherish always.

How long did you give yourself before you trained for the Ironman? You did half Ironman, but you also did a full Ironman by yourself. There was no relay like I did. You did the whole thing.

That was stupid too. I’m kidding. It was another one of those that Tracy, Chris and I always joke about. We say, “That’s a terrible idea. What time should we be there? If it’s a bad idea. You can pretty much count on us to sign up for it.” Chris got into his head that he wanted to do Lake Placid. I’m born and raised in upstate New York. I’m like, “Why not? It sounds like a terrible idea, but we should do it anyway.” That took on a life of its own because the training we’re talking about was like, “This is a full long day of exercise and racing.” The day certainly didn’t go as planned for me. I don’t think it went as planned for any of us, but it went and it was early 3:00 AM wake-ups to start to hop on bikes, run, and do all the things. It was magical.

I remember watching you guys cross the finish line and I got goosebumps. It was cool to watch it. You are an Ironman. That’s badass. Nobody can ever take that from you. That’s amazing.

Those words, you can hear and dream about them, but when you hear them from Mike Riley as you’re going through the finish line, it’s a whole life-changing experience.

You then decided to go and finish the rest of the World Majors. Somewhere in there, everything got difficult. I don’t even know which difficulty popped up. It’s been so long at this point.

I did the triathlon circuit for a long time and I still love triathlon. I want to get back into that. When COVID happened, we are not going to the pool. From a stress relief standpoint, I found myself running even more because that was that’s what I do. I love to run. I was still doing the bike tons, but there are no races on the calendar. There was not a whole lot of stuff going on. I did the New York City Marathon in 2017. In 2018 before I did the Ironman, I did the Boston Marathon. That was the year that it was the torrential downpour.

I remember you had the worst rubbing. You had blisters from the rain. I have no idea how you kept going.

That was my fastest marathon. I remember I crossed the finish line and one of my dear best friends who helped me get into the charity to do the Boston Marathon had a friend who lived right by the finish line. They brought me to her apartment and I shook for two hours. There was nothing to get me warm. It was brutal but wonderful. I used to live in Boston and we used to watch it. Every Patriots Day, we go hang out and have drinks at the bar. To be able to do it was such a huge honor. I absolutely loved it. I was like, “I got 2 down. I got 4 more to go.”

I had gotten into Berlin. I started training for the Berlin Marathon, which was supposed to be in 2019. This s is when things changed for me. I don’t know if I was getting older. I kept getting hurt. I’m typically a pretty resilient person, but the first injury was I was training for Berlin, and I was running on the beach, I had my coach. I did a 90-minute run on my calendar. I felt a little something in my heel, but nothing to stop me. I was like, “That might feel a little sore tomorrow,” then I stopped running and I couldn’t walk. I finished the run, but I couldn’t walk. It was very bizarre. I had a meeting that I was late and I had to hurry. I didn’t even have time to even worry about it. It turns out I broke my heel all the way through.

You don’t know how just from running.

Nobody knows. I had three different doctors look at it. They’re like, “Krissy, this is like you fell off a building type of impact. This is not like, ‘I got this from running.’” I was like, “I finished my run, and then I couldn’t walk.” In addition to my side hustle of Peloton should only pay me royalties for inventing the Tread, I think I would like to get paid to do an endorphin study. I want someone to test. I swear to God, my endorphins must be higher than most other people that I can run through this stuff. I don’t even notice until I stop.

You got all the endorphins that I didn’t. You got mine.

Maybe you should hop on the bike and test it out there, Tom.

I’m good. I rode a bike when I was a kid. It’s fine. it got me from point A to point B.

I broke my heel. People couldn’t figure out what happened in that one. That took nine-plus months to heal. That was miserable. I finally got that going, started training again, and got a stress fracture in my hip. At this point, my physical therapist and my doctors are like, “Maybe go get a bone density test. You should not be breaking bones from running. This is not right.” I got a bone density test and it’s all good.

I’m a crazy person who thinks endorphins are my painkiller, but it was a big lesson for me because I hate not being able to move. There was a lot of PTSD from both of those setbacks. Once I started running again, it was none of the crazy stuff that I used to do. It used to be that every Tuesday was my speed day. I called it Suicide Tuesday because I’m going to try to kill myself. I’m going to see how fast I could run. That was a bit life-changing for me and a bit of a reality setting that I’m not getting any younger. I want to be able to do this.

Do you have anything different now to try and prevent that? Do you run with bubble wrap?

The difference is that I’m such a cardio junkie. Part of the reason why people think that I’ve had these injuries is everything that I’m doing, swimming, biking or running or all on the same plane. I wasn’t doing any of the cross-training. I wasn’t doing the Tonal or anything other than spending all of my time swimming, running or riding the bike. That has changed dramatically. I do all the prehab and all the rehab. I have physical therapists that I am obsessed with. She’s fantastic and nurses me back to health. It’s all the cross-training, which I don’t love the cross-training, but things like Tonal make me like it better than I used to like it. That’s been pretty much it. It is trying to be more responsible, which I feel like an old saying because I like my old reckless young abandoned self.

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Your wiser self will be around longer.

That’s what got me to the six stars. After Boston, I then got to Tokyo. I took my kids out of school. We flew to Tokyo and we did that. It was amazing,” then injuries happened. I was like, “There was Chicago in there too. I have these two left.” It felt like years. It was injury, then it’s the pandemic. I was like, “These are never going to happen.” I was terrified to hurt myself again. What typically happens is the London Marathon is in the spring and the Berlin Marathon is in the fall. It happened that with COVID, they pushed the London Marathon. It was six days after the Berlin Marathon.

I was like, “Go bigger. Go home.” I went into this race fully expecting a full hip. I still have to get hip surgery. I’ve got torn cartilage in there. I was like, “Let’s get through these last two and we’ll see what happens.” I took them very slowly. I considered them as my 26.2 retirement party where there are people with a chug of beer, then keep going. It was a blast.

It’s like a 52.4 retirement.

That’s true. With this two, I couldn’t have my kids miss out on it. We pulled the kids out of school and the teachers were great. We had all their assignments and stuff lined up so they could not only keep up with school while they were there but also experience Berlin. We then had four days in Paris and then we went to London. It was wonderful. I also didn’t want to not be able to walk with my kids. I wanted to walk every step of the Louvre, climb up all the stairs of the Arc de Triomphe, and do all those things. It was an incredible ten days or whatever that we were there. It was magical.

It sounds like a trip of a lifetime.

I still can’t believe it. I was working on it for six years. I can’t even imagine the thousands of miles, hours and even mental energy, dreaming about being able to complete my six stars, dealing with logistics and planning. It’s amazing to think about. It still hasn’t hit me that it’s over and that it happened.

Do you get a special medal that puts all of your medals?

I can grab it if you want to see it.

Yeah. Let’s see it.

Once you cross the finish line of your last one, there’s a lot that goes into all this anyway. They track and follow you. There’s a whole process and whatnot, and there’s a special check-in during your last race. When you cross the finish line, you get your first medal. For me, my last was London. I got my London medal, and then there’s a separate tent. They’re waiting for you with this guy.

That’s pretty cool.

When I got each of the six, I cried like a toddler.

I’m about to cry just looking at it. The pain, love, and work that went into that, I’m proud of you. You’re amazing.

Thank you. It’s funny though because if you put it around your neck, you got both medals. When you’re walking, the two are clanking. It sounded like I had cymbals. My kids are like, “You’re loud.” I’m like, “I don’t care. I earned it.”

When you decided, “I’m going to do London and Berlin,” did you say to your coach, “I need to up my miles. What should I do differently?” What did you do?

What else changed in this period of time is I got rid of my coach. I got to the point where I didn’t trust even my own body because of these injuries. I was feeling much pressure to meet what he had on my plan. I cared more about turning my training peaks green than I did about paying attention to how I was feeling. That got a little bit scary. I ended up getting rid of my coach. I’m considering getting him back because I miss him. He was wonderful. I’m going to start getting back into triathlon now that I’m marathon-retired. I might try to get him back again now that I did the bucket list. I did Ironman. I got my six stars for the World Marathon Majors.

I remember seeing your post and you were like, “That’s it. I’m done.” I was like, “What? You can’t be done.”

My kids are mad about it.

Don’t you think you should do Kona? I think you should go to the world championship.

They don’t like me doing triathlons because they’re afraid I’m going to die on the swim. I’ve been at a number of triathlons where people have drowned. They’re terrified. I was like, “I’ll do triathlons. We can go to all cool places.” They’re like, “No.” “It’s like a pool swim.” They don’t want me swimming

On the upside, your kids want you to live.

That particular day when I asked them, they were all about me living. There are days when they’re like, “Please do triathlons and go.” They’ve seen me swim. They know how terrible I am. There’s a high probability that I could succumb to the swim at some point.

The old style of marathon training is you got to do all the miles and you got to do running almost every day for marathon training. Now new training is saying, “You need to back off of that. You shouldn’t be out there more than 3 to 4 hours max a week for your long run when you get towards the end. For a person like myself who’s uber-slow, l would never get close to 26 miles. If I’m like, “I’m going to stop at four hours,” that’s half a marathon.

You did 26.2 miles. Who are you kidding?

I did it on my thread and I walked. It took eight hours. My point is would be a whole Saturday. That is an entire day. Obviously, you’re a lot faster than I am. You are qualified for Boston. You still had to qualify.

That was a true charity. I am not a fast runner.

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I thought you still had to qualify when you went in through a charity. You don’t?


You’re still way faster than I am, and you’re way faster on the bike. I’ve seen your time. I know this is true.

Not anymore. I’m afraid of breaking myself.

I get that. I remember one time you told me that you had torn part in your thigh too. Every time I get a twinge when I’m out running, I think of you, and I’m like, “I’ve torn something in my quadriceps. I need to wrap it up and do nothing for two days.” I feel it ripped.

To answer your question about marathon training and what’s the huge difference, the big change for me was I was no longer doing mileage runs. It was all for a time. For my long runs, my longest was up to 3 hours and 45 minutes. It was not, “Go run 22 miles.” It was, “Go run easy for 3 hours and 45 minutes.” Whatever mileage you get, don’t worry about it, you’ll be totally fine. That was helpful because it took the pace pressure off of me. I was running smarter, I was truly staying in zone two. It made it much more enjoyable because I wasn’t suffering the whole time. I knew I wasn’t going to break any records these last two marathons. It was about getting there for the experience and enjoying it. It was a very different mindset shift as well as a calendar shift of how I approached the last two marathons versus how I approached the first four.

That’s a huge thing. The big thing that the entire fitness industry has done is they’re shifting to a time-based approach instead of a mileage-based approach. I do think that it’s helpful. I talk to a lot of people that I work with through MetPro. I find that a lot of people are still running 50 miles a week. I’m like, “We got to ease it off a little bit. Let’s add strength training. Let’s get back to 30 and hit the weights. That’s what we need to do.” I also get that there’s that mentality of the more I run, the better I run. When you say you’re going to transition back into triathlons, do you have a distance in mind?

Not the full. That ship has sailed. If Chris or Tracy call me after this and say, “We’re doing that.” I’m not answering the phone. I do like the half-Ironman distance. I also like the Olympics. That’s a meaningful chunk of time that’s not going to take over and consume your life or create all sorts of potential injuries. I’m still basking in the glory of not having anything on my calendar, which is bizarre because I was also doing much physical therapy, prehab, rehab, and all of that stuff. I’m like, “Those aren’t on my calendar anymore. My long runs aren’t on my calendar anymore.”

All the rigor that I’ve been working with for years is no longer there. I thought I was going to get depressed. We’ve all had events that we look forward to, be it weddings, races or whatever, and then they’re over and you’re like, “I’m not bummed yet.” I’m still waiting for this to sink in. Seriously, it hasn’t even sunken in yet that it has happened. It is a little bit liberating to have an open calendar with less pressure. I could do whatever I feel like doing whenever I feel like doing it, which is nice.

What are you doing in your free time?

I still have all sorts of workouts, but fun stuff. I’m basically doing anything that’s live. If it’s live, I’m going to do it. Because running was the thing that I was most focused on, that would be the first thing I did, then if I could squeeze in a bike or something, it would be to roll the legs out or whatever. Now it’s whatever is live. Tonal now has these 8:00 AM live things. I’m all over those. I still love my Mirror, but now Lululemon Studio is what they call it. Whatever live anything, if I can pack it in outside of my crazy job schedule, that’s what I do. I enjoy it. It’s more for fun than anything else.

It’s funny because I’m taking the tonal 20 and 20 Runners Challenge. I hear you get shout-outs in there every morning.

I want Christine to come back and do that. Can we do that again? I like the live stuff. I don’t know if that’s an immature side of me that loves knowing that other people are there and doing the same thing that you are.

It’s supportive.

I want Christine to come back and do another 20-20 for runners. That was so much fun.

It’s a good workout too. It’s sneaky hard in all the best ways. You think, “It’s only twenty minutes,” but it gets you.

I always think it’s going to go by like that. A lot of times I’m like, “We’re just finishing the warm-up? I’m already sweating. I’m tired.”

Do you get to take any of the Peloton bike classes? Do you still like live these days?

I did Christine at 10:00. That was my 2,750th ride. I did a Mirror before that and I went out for a run. It’s warm here for the first time in a while. I ran for slow easy 3 miles, especially around here because all the leaves are on the ground and it was raining. Wet leaves and an injury-prone runner are not a good combination. It was very slow and reserved, but it was beautiful.

I was running outside too. I feel like I’ve been trying to take advantage of the weather when it works. I was running downhill and there were leaves everywhere. We have those acorns underneath the leave. I would see a big pile and I would go around. I would rather run in the grass next to the concrete than run on those. They terrify me. I’m going to roll the ankle.

We have a lot of new construction going on around here too. The bulldozer crushes the sidewalk. It’s the same thing. The sidewalks will be all beaten up and there are chunks of cement all over the place. I do the same thing. I go as far around as possible.

It is safer that way.

You are adding half a mile to your run.

The old me would’ve been like, “I am not going to take this detour. I’m going to power through it.” The new older me takes the safe route.

It’s the wiser you.

I miss those crazy days.

I know you guys had a lot of fun, but it’s not like you’re not going to have fun on your journey forward. It just means you’re going to take it a little bit easier.

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Tom, you make an interesting point about running the extra half a mile. For the last two marathons, I ran 2 miles over. It was like 28 point-something miles because I’m giving every kid the high-five. I’m zigzagging. I’m grabbing the glass of champagne. I was not running in a straight line.

That wouldn’t be me.

You would be like, “This is not a perfectly straight line. Move so I can walk in a straight line.”

At the 23-mile mark, I’d be like, “No. It says 26.2. Somebody bring me a medal.”

You get to that point. I’m like, “I am now almost 2 miles over and I’m still not at the finish line.” They paint a line in the road like the fastest way. All I have to do is follow the blue line. If you follow the blue line, you’re not going to exactly 26.2 miles. Unless you’re me and I decide to high-five all the kids and zigzag my way.

You had so much more fun.

Was 2 miles worth of fun? I’m going to say it wasn’t.

Maybe not. I could have done a little less high-fiving.

That kid doesn’t even remember getting a high-five. He didn’t deserve that. You wasted your high-five with that kid.

I probably could have high-fived fewer people, but I was not going to be passing up the beers and the champagne and the stuff that they were handing out on the course. That was well worth it. When Tracy and I did the Marine Corps Marathon three years ago, it was the same thing. Here in DC for that marathon at mile 22, they set up this local group. I think they call it runners with a drinking problem or drinkers with a running problem.

They are some little local group and they set up a table. We stopped. We were there for 45 minutes eating and drinking beers. Carrie brought her son Casey to cheer us on and she was tracking us, then she got all worried because she was like, “We lost a mile 22. Something must be wrong,” then we’re stumbling at mile 24. Not all races are meant to be a race. Most of mine are meant to be fun.

It’s a great attitude to have. If you did not have that attitude and the whole group of people like you guys that brought me in. You were very kind. If you hadn’t had that attitude, there’s no way I would’ve done it because we were team finished for a reason. We needed to finish. We didn’t want time stressing us out. I was still stressed because it was me.

Can we talk about that weekend? That was magic. Will you ever forget that? I will never ever forget that.

I see pictures of Tom over at the comic book store. I’m like, “I don’t remember it,” because I was hanging out with my friends.

We weren’t there. There’s so much that they did that we missed.

We drove to Redbank and back to see the secret stash.

That was a blast. That was a lot of fun. That was a whole wonderful time. Maybe someday, we’ll do something like that again. That would be amazing.

We should. I felt like that was a prime time, at least for me with Peloton, friends, connections, and how life unfolded. We all became friends for a messed up reason but it worked. We’ve gotten woven into each other’s lives, and know each other’s children and spouses. It is such a magical wonderful time.

I remember you were the first one out the door that morning. We had to catch up with you.

I like to be there very early.

I would be more than happy to do that. I feel like not only was it a magical time in Peloton’s history, but I feel like those connections are what made me want to keep doing the show, and want to meet all the people. I wish that I could sit down and meet all the people who have done all these things because that’s what drives me to do more. That’s what I love about the show is getting to know stories like these. It does inspire me as a person to try to do more with my own. “What other things can I do?” You guys posed that question. I never thought I could run 13 miles. I had never run more than a mile in my life and 13 sounded like insanity.

I remember when Steven Little would talk about doing 245-minute rides in a row. I thought that was insanity, but then you do it and it’s the next thing. It’s like, “If I can do that, what am I going to push myself to do after that?” It compounds on top of itself.

The swimming thing, I still have not got down because COVID happened and I stopped going to swim lessons. In a perfect world, that would be nice to be able to do, but it is a lot of work. Doing a triathlon is a lot of work. You got something there with the whole Olympic distance. It’s fun to do, but not so much that completely ruins any social life that you have outside of that.

Have your kids do some research to see how many people died during Olympic triathlons?

The one when I went to nationals in Ohio, it was an Olympic and a guy died during that. We have another local open water swim here where, a few years ago, a guy died. It’s sad and awful.

I remember you guys swam in Atlantic City. It was gross. Everybody had black on them when they got out. We were like, “What happened? Did you guys swim through an oil slick?” I have no idea how you did it.

I did the Alcatraz triathlon where I jumped off the boat at Alcatraz and swam to San Francisco Bay. That was freezing cold with waves, wildlife, and jet ski. Every breath you’re like sucking in. It was a slow one too. I could see how people die. I don’t want to be turning up on the bottom of a body of water. We’ll see. I love open-water swimming, even though I’m a terrible swimmer. If it’s calm waters, it’s fun. It’s peaceful.

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Back to Lake Placid for that.

The most beautiful swim ever. That was magical.

I hope to someday get to see it. With us going back in time, we need to repeat what your leaderboard name is for people who don’t know.

KrissyBlackwood, the most unoriginal.

The perks of starting at the beginning.

It’s not an original. That’s because you were an original buyer. You have the Lululemon Studio and Tonal. Are you KrissyBlackwood across all?

They’re all the same. My email address is Crystal, the Peloton London Studio, how can we forget that?

Tell me all about your visit.

Here’s another thing about this whole trip to Europe. I didn’t book most of it until two weeks beforehand because I was convinced I was going to get hurt. The hotel, I booked in advance because you can get your money back, and those sell out within minutes. The rest I knew I had a little bit of leeway on. At the same time, I’m booking flights for everybody, solidifying that this whole thing was going to happen. I was like, “I should see if I can get into the London Studio.” It was like divine intervention. It worked out that the day before the London Marathon, Joslyn Thompson Rule had a 30-minute walk. I don’t do shakeout runs anymore because I’m terrified of hurting myself.

If I can get to a week before the race, I’m not going to run. I’m going to do crap. I’m going to sit in my butt and do nothing because I don’t want to hurt myself. She also had a run earlier that day. I’m like, “No way. I’m not doing a run,” but there is a walk and a waitlist. I got myself on the waitlist. I was on the waitlist for weeks. I know nothing about London. I looked up where the studio was. I’m like, “It’s close to our hotel.” Everything seemed to work out. I show up there that morning and Leanne comes out from a ride. I get on my phone and take a picture. She’s like, “Do you want to take a selfie?” I’m like, “Of course, I want to take a selfie.”

I got a picture with Leanne and then we got in for Joslyn’s class. I don’t think there was anyone not from the United States in that studio, and 80% of them were all doing the London Marathon the next day. Joslyn did a big thing about it. It was awesome. It would be terrible weather with every race I ever do and it was supposed to be a complete washout on Sunday for the marathon. We were all complaining and Joslyn is like, “We’re going to do a manifest.” At the beginning of the class, she’s like, “To the rain gods please don’t show up. Let these people run.” I woke up the next morning and the forecast went from a complete washout to like no rain at all.

Joslyn was riding with me and I know the others. We were like, “The manifest did work.” I attribute the good weather to her, but the studio is beautiful. I was able to go to the New York studios and did a bunch of classes there in August, but that was the first time I was at the New York studio. The London one is almost identical, just on a much smaller scale. It’s a very similar feel, the way that it’s set up on different floors, the locker rooms and all that. The only thing that’s weird about the locker rooms there is there’s no men’s room and no women’s room. It’s just one locker room. I do a triathlon. I don’t care who I’m getting changed in front of, but there are little stalls that you go in and change.

I’m going to need some privacy for that. That’s good to know. Thank you.

What a blast that was. I couldn’t believe that happened either. I feel like all the pieces are falling into place and it’s working out perfectly. That’s how the whole thing went down. I finished these last two races without injury. I felt great afterward. I traveled around with my kids and my husband. I got to hang out with Joslyn and the other marathon folks in the studio. It was awesome.

Did you get to meet any of the other instructors? Did you see any of the German instructors? I’m fascinated by the fact that they live there and do classes out of it, but they’re from Germany. I know that it’s not super far but still, it must be strange to not be home.

I just saw Leanne and Joslyn. That was it. Their schedule is a little different. That was all I got to see. I was still thrilled that I got to do it. Leanne with volunteering the selfie was even better. It was the icing on the cake.

She’s like, “Those crazy Americans.”

Do you remember the old Peloton in the 23rd Street Studios has the water bottles? They still have those in London. I took a couple of those home with me. I got the London studio towels. I was like, “If I’m here, I got to pick up this London merchandise.”

Did you get the London T-shirt? When I was in New York, I had to get a hoodie, bra and leggings. Tom went and got the hoodie.

She wouldn’t buy the hoodie for herself.

That was too far. That was too much.

I was like, “This dumb. You’re going to get home and be like, ‘Why didn’t I buy that hoodie?’” When she was in the class, I just went and bought it.

You’re a good man. When we do crazy things like classes and races, he’s off doing some good things for you.

He’s a good support. We all have good support. Have you changed any of your favorite instructors?

No, I love them all. They are tried and true. From a running standpoint, Becs will always have a soft spot in my heart. I was like fangirling at her from the day that the Tread came out. I was one of the lucky ones who got invited to get the Tread in advance. I love her. I love seeing her and Austin’s journey. When I was there in August, I took one of her classes and Austin was there too. That was super fun. Wilpers for all things running and biking. He’s so smart and knows much. Jenn Sherman, Alex and Christine, I love them. I could go on and on. I love them all.

You’re good support for them too because you’ve been part of Peloton for a long time. People who have just joined Peloton don’t necessarily know that that love is that strong and that’s how long it’s been going. That shows. When you have that much love for that many instructors who you’ve been riding with for years, that’s cool.

It’s funny because there’s one woman that I work with who just got a bike. I tell her some of these stories. I don’t think she can believe it because it’s such a different thing. I’m like, “You don’t understand, if you go on Alex Toussaint’s Facebook page, there’s a picture of him with my son. That’s how things were. You get to know these people on a personal level.” She’s like, “I don’t understand how you did it.” It was a different time. I will be forever grateful for it because it brings me to you, my friends and my family. It feels like none of this would’ve happened if it didn’t start with this one-wheeled bike that doesn’t go anywhere. Here we are doing triathlons and marathons and all sorts of craziness, but it’s awesome.

Thank you much for taking time out of your day to join us. We appreciate it.

Thanks for having me back. This is fun. It’s been too long.

We need to have a check-in. We got to get the whole gang together and do something fun. That would be cool. Thank you for doing this. Is there anything that you want to share with everybody? Will you tell people where to find you?

@KrissyBlackwood everywhere. Instagram or Facebook, it’s all the same. Thank you for you guys in always being supportive. Crystal, it’s been fun to be a part of your journey from afar. I hope that we can get together again soon, reignite the craziness and do it all in person again post-COVID.

I would genuinely love that. I hope that we can. That would be amazing. Thank you.

I guess that brings this episode to a close. Until next time, where can people find you?

People can find me on Facebook at They can find me on InstagramTwitter for now, and also the Peloton leaderboard @ClipOutCrystal.

You can find me on Twitter @RogerQBert or on Facebook at You can find the show online on While you’re there, like the page and join the group. Of course, don’t forget our YouTube channel at You can see how Crystal bumps her head. It’s a little extra treat we throw in for you to lure you over to our YouTube. That’s it for this one. Thanks for tuning in and until next time, keep pedaling and running.


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About Krissy Blackwood

TCO 284 | RunningOperational Risk Executive with over 20 years of experience in leadership roles in large, complex institutions across all lines of defense building, executing and governing risk management programs. Extensive experience includes front line business and control, independent business aligned, Corporate Operational Risk, Internal Audit, and risk management consulting roles, including the development of three patent-pending risk models and three publications by the Risk Management Association. Earned strong reputation for operational risk expertise, innovation, and building advanced risk and control management tools and processes to enable sound business practices supporting strategic, business objectives. Education includes a Master of Business Administration and Six Sigma Black Belt and Green Belt certifications.


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