What’s in the Cards for Peloton? A 2026 Tarot Reading

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Welcome to the Clip Out podcast. This is episode 4 44. This is Crystal O’Keefe and this is Tom O’Keefe. So, hi. It is Christmas week and so we are taking the week off, but we still have an episode for you and we’re doing something a little different.

Um. Uh, every year around this time, it’s become something of a tradition. Over here at the clip out, we talk to Erica McClain, the tarot card reader, our in-house tarot [00:01:00] card reader. And she, she gives us just a look at what to expect from the world of Peloton over the next year. And because we are skeptics, uh, every year, we also.

Give her a report card, right? Like, yeah. Yeah. We it just posted this week the 2025 report card and spoiler alert, she did. Amazing. Yeah. Like it’s, you need to go read it because it is crazy. Like it actually gives me goosebumps whenever I think about the stuff that she got. Right. Like. It’s crazy.

Yeah it’s a little creepy sometimes, but but, and we’ll talk with a little bit about, we hadn’t completely graded everything when we had this conversation with her, but the article goes through all of her predictions for 2025 and lets, you know, hit or miss or in between. And so, uh, so now we are going to have our conversation about what to expect in 2026.

So, um, this is the episode [00:02:00] this week. We will return to the regular format next week. We’re just giving ourselves a little room to breathe and celebrate the holidays with the family. So, uh, so I guess we will now join the clip out already in progress.

Speaker 2: Joining us today via the magic of Zoom tube, it’s our tarot card reader extraordinaire, Erica McLean. Hey Erica. How’s it going? Hey

Speaker 3: guys. It’s going great. How are you?

Speaker: Good. We’re so glad to have you back. I’m so excited to hear what you have on the docket for 2026. Nikki has been in the throes of writing up the report card for how you did for last year and.

This is crazy. You actually predicted the Jennifer Jacobs, Alex Toussant thing. Uh, I don’t even know if you’re aware of that, but you did. Yeah,

Speaker 4: I did

Speaker: it. I probably are because I forget these things. Yeah. It’s, it’s really crazy how much that you have, right? In this year you did last year as well. Um, which is why

Speaker 2: you’re back.

’cause if you, [00:03:00] if you shit the bad, we’d be like.

Speaker: And I’m gone.

Speaker 2: Yeah. We’re not having her back. No pressure.

Speaker: It’s so funny because this is like something, we were just talking about this yesterday with Tom’s sister-in-law and it’s like, I am so not a tarot card person. And I told you that when you, we first started talking about doing this, but like every year you shock me with what you get.

Right. It’s fascinating and I love it. It’s so much fun and I love just chatting with you. It’s great. Thanks.

Speaker 2: Okay, so the report card. Yeah. Did you want to go through some highlights?

Speaker: Well, the, the biggest highlight to me was that one, but you also predicted that Callie was going to have a baby boy. You also predicted that she was going to have quite a bit of time off. Uh, like very extended.

And what was the other thing? There was another thing that I was like really surprised about. Hang on.

Speaker 2: New instructors?

Speaker: Yeah, new instructors, uh, specifically. Um, we feel that Tim Robards collaboration because it, you talked about somebody with a young family and doing a lot of [00:04:00] travel back and forth.

I mean, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 3: that’s, yeah. I didn’t even remember that until you just told me, so,

Speaker: yeah. Uh, so, um, I know about like six weeks to 12 weeks ago you posted that you had had some Peloton vibes going on. Oh, I did. Yeah.

I was just gonna ask if we should start there or if we should jump into what’s going through your head right now for Peloton.

Where do you wanna start?

Speaker 3: So, I know you were, we were DMing back and forth about like specific things. So like, I feel like that might be at the top of my, like, brain right now. Mm-hmm. So maybe we can start there and just kind of flow through and see what happens.

Speaker: Okay. I had somebody specifically ask me.

Do you see Peloton instructor divorces coming your way?

Speaker 3: Okay. I sat down with this and kind of asked the cards and saw what they said, and this is what I got. So [00:05:00] ironically, when I was going through this, earlier this week, I pulled a three of swords, which is the heart rate card.

Now, I can’t see anybody divorcing or breaking up. But then again, sometimes things shock us and you know, things happen. So what I got, uh, was that I feel like as though there’s two things happening, two heartbreaks one being a possible split something that kind of maybe talks us who are like, it, like comes out of left field and like did we did not see this coming.

And I feel like the specific person. You know, show, uh, like on the outside portrays, like all these great things may even talk about their relationship. And just, nothing’s ever negative, but they’re dealing with a lot of pressure inside and a lot of, just they feel tied down. So I do think that and I, and I did, it did tell me not to say it’s, it’s not Leanne and Ben.

They’re fine. So don’t ever, don’t anybody worry about them. I feel like it’s something that just shocks us though. I also did see [00:06:00] with that another heartbreak, but that was almost leaning towards a, an instructor leaving and I kind of almost got a feeling about London. It could be around London. It is just something where I feel as though this instructor kind of phases out a little bit because they take on something else and they realize that they can make more money and do more with this other thing.

So it’s not, I feel as though it might not be just like, I’m leaving, I’m done. It might just kind of be like a slow progression and then they phase out. So I dunno if you have any questions around that.

Speaker: Can you say who?

Speaker 3: See, that’s a Patreon. No, I’m just kidding.

Speaker 2: We like where your head’s at. I do too. Like where your head’s at.

It’s

Speaker: okay. We can, we can save it for Patreon if you would like.

Speaker 3: So in my head I do have ideas of who they could be. But I’m scared to just go out and say it because I don’t want them to hate

Speaker: me. I totally get that. I totally, totally get it. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Can you tell us when, just so Crystal can be [00:07:00] ready?

Speaker: Yeah, that would be great.

Speaker 2: She’s like, uh, the tarot car says it’s going to be whenever you’re on vacation, typically. That’s the

Speaker: big drops. Yeah.

Speaker 3: So I thought one of these things, I don’t know which one, but I was getting like fall vibes, like kind of like around maybe September to like Halloween time. It could be like, around that time we hear about one of the two things.

I’m gonna pull a card now. Talking about more specifically the divorce. Oh, so this could happen in the winter. I’m getting a very like, like. Depressing, like snowy, like kind of vibe like that? I’m thinking maybe like sometime it could even be from the new year to march. Okay. And I feel as though whether it’s a divorce or just a split up, it’s because of like material items because of money.

It’s almost like an argument around that. And I feel as though this person, this instructor is just so busy at, at what they’re doing and they, they feel as though need to balance everything. [00:08:00] And they’re just not happy. Inside, like they’re not showing, they’re not they may be happy outside and everything may be okay.

So that’s kind of why it might be a shock. Um, but I’m getting almost that time. It’s like winter time.

Speaker: And are you, are you feeling New York or, uh, I’m feeling New York. This one

Speaker 3: I’m totally feeling New York. And then along with those two other, the two other like kind of heartbreak things, I did get a lot of things about relationship.

Specifically within that I got a P name. So I don’t know if that’s like a, a person that’s coming in that has like a first, middle, or last name with a p or it could be an instructor or something. I just saw the letter pee.

Speaker 2: Now, in fairness, I could be throwing that off because I have to pee a lot, so that could be on me.

I’m a 55-year-old man and it’s. The cross we bear,

Speaker 3: I don’t know what the tea is from, and I get like letters and I’m just like mostly liquid them

Speaker 2: drinking [00:09:00] lots of liquid, I think.

Speaker: Don’t distract her. Zero. She’s in a, she’s in a zone. I love

Speaker 3: Coke syrup. Right? It’s so funny. It’s so funny that you say Coke Zero and Diet Coke because through this whole time where I’m just like taking notes the other day, like all that could pop in my head was Diet Coke.

And I’m like, why is this popping in my head? And I couldn’t get like a specific answer. Why? But just keep that in mind. I don’t know, maybe that could be like a collaboration or like something, I mean, I know of people, there’s a lot of people that, um, are in the community that are obsessed with Coke Zero, die Coke.

So I don’t know. But I did get a p name of almost like, maybe like a relationship around this person. Um

Speaker 4: hmm. And I mean,

Speaker 3: there’s not many instructors. I mean, I can think of one specifically with competing, but, but like I said, it might not be,

Speaker 2: or just King’s wife.

Speaker 3: I was getting, I was actually, so I was getting more like Ashley Pryor with a relationship coming in. Oh, okay. So I thought I saw a relationship [00:10:00] coming in for her and, and specifically I, I’m seeing this like somebody that she’s meeting through, it’s not somebody, it’s like an instructor. So that’s somebody AP Peloton, that’s, but it’s someone she’s meeting almost through her own journey.

Okay. So, I dunno if it’s like a gym that, like whether a gym that she’s at, I feel like this other person, is established and has in his own. Like, I don’t know, they, they have their like own business or app or something like that, but they, they need kind of doing something that they both like, and I feel like it’s around the fitness area.

Speaker 2: Are you just, just, are you, maybe, are you just writing a romcom maybe? Is that what’s going on? Just like I’m,

Speaker 3: it could be,

Speaker: I would buy it, it could be a ho, it could be

Speaker 3: Hallmark, but like I specifically like asking yesterday and they gave the initial with a p. I kind of just in my head, like I just get downloads and the download that I got was her.

So I don’t know if it’s like a new relationship now, this might not be like a relationship. It could just be a friendship, it could be a collaboration. But I saw something with [00:11:00] somebody else that has like their establishment, their own business and I specifically, specifically was seeing like an app or something like that, kind of all intertwined like maybe, like I said, meeting like in the fitness type of area, but it’s not like a Peloton person. I did see this per, this is weird, but I did see this person being connected with coffee too, so I don’t know if they have, they’re connected with some sort of coffee bus, I don’t know, coffee, business coffee. But just keep that in mind.

Speaker: Okay. I have one for you. This is totally out of nowhere. But is Cody gonna get rid of that mustache?

Speaker 3: Oh my God, I’m so, so, I can’t believe you said the mustache because I was getting a mustache. Right. And I’m getting, there’s somebody with a mustache and there’s two people I can think of. I’m not gonna say it.

We can leave them a picture, but there’s two people that I’m thinking of that I love Okay. That I saw a, um, them, there was something with them revolved around Broadway. Oh. Something where they, whether they. [00:12:00] Guard something or something had to do with Broadway. And it’s specifically somebody I saw a mustache.

So I don’t know if you can kind of think about the two people that you know. I

Speaker: It’s gotta be Well, I, I want it to be Maddie. That’s what I want it to be.

Speaker 3: Be him too. And we’re gonna pull card now for that.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker 3: Because I love Maddie. I really do. He is literally like, I feel as though like. He is, he’s perfect at what he does.

There’s no way around it. Like he is just perfect. Everybody loves him. But I feel as though there’s like, it’s kind of like something that he wants to do, it’s like to check off on his bucket list. And I feel like he has that connection to whether, you know, Broadway, just stage and all that stuff.

So I don’t know if he gets an opportunity. To be a part of something with Broadway to be in a Broadway show. I feel as though he might know something now that we don’t, and he’s kind of holding back. He’s like, like kind of like in the back, like you’re in the theater, like in the back. You don’t want anybody to [00:13:00] see you.

But I feel, I feel like there’s some sort of new, there’s definitely king of one energy, which is like something new and on fire that he is, and it, like I said, could be another person too in the mustache, but it’s, they’re like on fire. And they, there’s like a new creation, something new coming. I don’t see this person leaving, but I do see this person.

Having like a glow up.

Speaker: Okay. About something around something. Yeah. I do have to say too, that, um, one of the other things that came up, um, that you correctly predicted was that Maddie was gonna get married this year. So like you I did, I did say that. Yeah. Uh, that reminded me whenever I, I, we were talking about Maddie.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker: Is there, and

Speaker 3: I think she’s fine. Like, is that the whole thing? No, she’s fine. Okay. I think like there’s a lot of good things coming his way and we’re gonna a of. A lot of things that are gonna be like, way to go, Maddie, because he’s, he’s just getting started.

Speaker: Oh, yay. I love that. I love that. I love him.

I do too. He’s so great. Um, [00:14:00] um, I

Speaker 3: definitely did see another wedding coming up. I feel as though this wedding could be something could be like almost like a small gathering. It’s not like a big, huge wedding like we’ve had in the past with Peloton instructors. But like, it just, this is kind of like.

Something, um, this person almost had like a hardship, like went through a lot, maybe had other relationships, whatever, but it got to the point where they’re on top. Okay, they’re on top. And I do maybe even see like a pregnancy before the wedding type of deal for. For this person, whether, whatever instructor, it’s,

Speaker 2: I just, but that’s a sin.

Oh, stop. You can’t do that.

Speaker 3: Stop.

Speaker: You’re, you’re, it could

Speaker 3: be right afterwards where they get married and like right after they get pregnant. But I do see another, another Peloton baby coming.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker 3: And I, and this also I did see in the fall, like we could hear about it in the fall or this could happen in the

Speaker: fall.

Okay. Okay. So it’ll be one

Speaker 3: of two things. Alright. [00:15:00] Okay. Um, and I’m just gonna, I’m just gonna pull another card for that just to like confirm like, you know, anything else that we need to know.

Yeah this person has gone through it. I, I feel like it’s the, just their, it’s justice for them.

Speaker: Do we know who it is? Do we know?

Speaker 3: I might know who it is. Okay. There’s definitely, there’s definitely been competition in this person’s life, and I don’t know if it’s been competition around, around, you know, relationships or just around getting to where they need to be.

Okay. ’cause I feel like there’s been, it’s been a lot, but they’re getting what they deserved in a good way. It’s coming. It’s all full circle.

Speaker: Okay. Um,

Speaker 3: and for one that’s just confirming wedding. This is confirming wedding. This is New York. This is somebody in New York.

Speaker: I know who I hope it is. I know who I hope it is.

Speaker 3: Let me know afterwards and we can confirm. Okay. Um, but, um, I, I know but I definitely do see, and I, that’s not to much say that there’s not gonna be [00:16:00] other weddings or other relationships, but I, I see specifically something that’s coming and it’s coming where people, it’s also maybe like a shock to some people.

’cause maybe some people don’t know. Maybe some people do. But yeah, it’s, once again, it’s not like a a, it’s just like a small, like, uh, you know, front, you’ll see Peloton instructors there. Uh, but it’s not like a big, crazy thing.

Speaker: Okay. Okay. Is, uh, you said I think you, like quickly said you felt like somebody might be leaving Peloton.

Are you, are you getting any vibes from like major exits? You know, in June we have contracts again. Yeah, we do. Yeah. So wondering about that.

Speaker 3: So I did see, I’m gonna switch my decks here. I did see somebody leaving be but phasing out because there’s a lot of other things going on with this person, and it’s not the fact that they want to leave, it’s that they’re going to make more money and they’re gonna be more successful in the long run, if that makes sense.

Speaker: It does. I

Speaker 3: kind of don’t even know who this person is, but the [00:17:00] six of ones just confirms like a victory card for this. If this person is. Very talented and they need to shine where they need to shine. And not saying that the Peloton community, they’re not shining, but if it’s almost like if they don’t take an opportunity doing something that they’re also good at, it will be, they’re gonna be a shame.

You know? Like, it’s almost like they have to take that opportunity, but it’s almost like a victory opportunity. I see this, I see I’m getting July. July, beginning of August where this could possibly happen. And if they don’t leave, then we may be hearing more about this particular person, just another glow up where it’s like, wow, you know?

Speaker 4: Okay. Let me pull

Speaker 3: one more for that one. Okay. Because this one is kind of stumping me a little bit. A little bit in a way. Yeah. Um, and they’re, and they’re like, right now they’re stable too, so it’s not even that much of an issue with money. But it’s almost like one of those things that [00:18:00] if you don’t jump on it when it happens, you may not have an opportunity yet.

Speaker: Okay. Okay. Um, what about all the, the people, all the instructors on maternity and paternity leave, everybody coming back? Is there anything going on with that? We need,

Speaker 3: Let’s ask the cards about those because I didn’t even think, think to think of that. Um,

Speaker 4: okay.

Speaker 3: I mean, I have pe, I have people in my head right now. Um,

Speaker 4: all right.

Speaker 3: I do see somebody very happy I, that’s on TER maternity, paternity leave. And once again, I don’t know, it’s not confirmed like who this person is. I just almost getting this, somebody very happy right now. They almost feel safe. They feel. They feel like their cortisol level is like normal, you know? And they feel as though they’re still, um, this person, I’m still seeing their, you know, active on social media, active with the community, but what’s, [00:19:00] but whether they just had a baby or they’re having a baby that they’re taking time off this person might not come back right away.

This might be. This might, this person might not. All right, hold on a second, because I do see somebody like that’s on maternity paternity leave that is taking their time to come back and they actually may question it. You know, there may be question where they might not wanna come back and people might not think they’re gonna come back, but they do come back.

I, I do think when they come back, it’s not gonna be. How it was before, if that makes sense. Yeah. And I don’t see like the traveling thing, so I’m not like this part, this is not specifically for someone who’s like traveling back and forth. This is just someone who we just see less classes of this person, but there’s they still do come back and they take a little while to come back.

If that, I don’t know if you have any questions around that one. Hmm. Um

Speaker: hmm. Well, um, I, you, you talk about the [00:20:00] travel and stuff, and I know like Callie, she travels back and forth a lot. And then Selena, I, there’s been a lot of people that kind of I don’t know why, but people are picking up on a vibe from Selena that maybe she’s not gonna come back after her twins.

And not like in a, a way that’s like negative, that like there’s a bad. Vibe with Peloton or anything like that. Just that she’s really enjoying being a mom. And, and there are people that think that. So I’m curious if you’re picking up anything from the cards on that.

Speaker 3: I mean, so she is kind of what I was with this last one, kind of what I had in mind.

I don’t think that her her tie with Peloton is up though yet. Okay. I think it’s something that’s gonna be a slow comeback. I think she’s somebody that when she has her babies, like all her kids, and I mean like anybody, all your kids mean so much, but I think she’s almost worried about her other child.

’cause she doesn’t want him to feel left out. Do you know what I’m saying?

Speaker: [00:21:00] I do.

Speaker 3: He’s just, he is like, he’s like the son in her universe, even though he’s our son. But I feel like he’s just. Like just special. Um, so I think like she just wants to make sure that everything like is set is aligned right.

With that, with her kids. I think that, so I think she might take a little extra time off. Mm-hmm. Um, but I think by, I think by March, around March we we’ll hear more of like the comeback from her. I don’t know if she also gets into more like a different type of program,

With, um.

With just one specific modality instead of trying to like, do everything together, I feel like it’s just almost like leaning towards one specific modality. I do see an opportunity with with like another brand for so she, I see her do also working for like different brands and we know she’s, she does up a new balance and all that.

Um, so I do see. Uh, an opportunity with that. And I also see around like the younger, like a athlete community, like kids or like college or something like that. Okay.

And we’re gonna take a quick break right here and coming up [00:22:00] after this, we’re gonna talk about Pelotons Financial Health in the future and take a look at what some past instructors might be expecting.

Speaker: Okay. And, um, what about. And I don’t wanna like take you down a road you’re not ready to go down. So if you’re not ready to switch gears, that’s okay.

My mind is really curious. There’s been so many changes at Peloton and I remember last year you talked about like 2025 was gonna be a big year for Peloton, and I feel like it was a big year for Peloton. A lot. Yeah, a lot happened. Are we, how are we feeling about Pelotons Health, financial health, it’s.

It’s overall, you know, are there gonna be more changes? Do we need to brace ourselves? Do we need to get ready? Yeah.

Speaker 2: Do we need to learn the name of a new CEO?

Speaker 3: Okay. We we might, because I, a couple years ago, I don’t remember in terms few years ago, I, I was always seeing 2026 or something happening where people getting very [00:23:00] mad and like, I don’t wanna say anything like as permanent or whatever, but I see something.

In this year, it’s like it changed.

Speaker 4: Oh. So

Speaker 3: it’s like I see where people could get upset. I did see a something I can I did see like a modality coming in, a new modality coming, but with this modality, it’s gonna cost people extra. Uh oh. So it’s like on top of like, so even if you do buy this, so whether it’s just like a different program that they have or whether it’s like an actual modality, I’m seeing people might having to be paying extra for it and getting that because everything’s costing a lot more.

Speaker 2: Boy, this is a bold claim that people might get mad at Peloton. I for Well, that’s the thing

Speaker 3: is, is I feel like a lot of people are aggravated because of cost and everything like that. Yeah, I do. I do feel as though this CEO right now, I am almost getting like, some instructors just feel intimidated, if that makes sense.

Interesting. They feel as though, it’s a little bit [00:24:00] more stressful, like kind of walking on eggshells type of things with this new this new kind of like upper, higher up, whatever people. So I don’t know if it’s exactly the CEO, but I feel like it’s somebody that works like higher up that’s in charge of everything and how it goes on.

I do see that some instructors could focus, may wanna focus more on their family and their life. So we may see some people like cutting back, which we’ve already seen like a little bit of a cutback, but we could see that even more. I also do see a recall on one of, on a mod one modality. I see some modality, something, whether it’s the bike, rower, tread, something recalling and people being mad about that.

I see this happening like all around, like midyear. It’s like

Speaker: this. And, and this isn’t anything to do with like a recall that’s already happened. Like you’re saying this is in addition to like, this

Speaker 3: is like Totally, yes. Okay.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker 2: Are we in danger?

Speaker 3: Like what is, what

Speaker 2: is this recall? We’re

Speaker 3: not in danger. I can, I see [00:25:00] a lot of competitiveness.

Like we may see people trying to compete with Peloton because other people, you know, may be getting upset and maybe people wanna come back on spending and we may see other. Other people or other companies like Peloton or even people that have worked in the Peloton community coming out being like, you know, this other instructor is coming out and starting up new, other new things, which you’ve kind of already seen.

Um, so I do see a little bit more like competitive type energy. And some people may choose to leave, but I think the OGs will stay and stick it out. You know, the people that that are, that are committed in the summertime, I do see something totally different that hasn’t happened yet. Whether it’s like invites, like certain people get invited, but it’s like different, you know, people to the studio.

Um, or like, just like a giveaway where they’re giving something away. I see something like that happening in the summertime. Hmm. Um, but I think. I think this year there’s gonna be a lot of tower moments where like, shit [00:26:00] hits the fan. But it has to ha has to happen for it to get to where it needs to be.

So I don’t think as much as like it scares us. It’s like, but like we, we may see things happen having to happen. Okay. So that we can get to where we wanna be.

Speaker: So stay calm when the shit hits. Fans. Yes. Calm. Okay.

Speaker 3: Stay calm. Because I think, I think that it’s one of those things if you can ride the wave and you know you are.

You love the company and you love, people are gonna stay. You know, it’s just some people might not agree with, uh, with things just like everything, but I mean, the OGs will be there, you know?

Speaker: Yeah. Well, so I was actually going to ask about past instructors. Um, you know, there’s been a lot of, because of the, uh, Jennifer Jacobs stuff with Alex and how she treated everything, and there’s been a lot of.

Just conversation around Kendall. I’m kind of curious if they continue to try to be disruptive. That’s the best word I can come up with. [00:27:00] To not be negative.

Speaker 3: I think. I think that there’s always gonna be a competition.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: With, I think every instructor that left is trying to make it in this very specific way.

Also, there was an instructor, Oliver, was it Oliver?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker 3: I don’t know why he came up the other day, but he not, he’s not coming back, but we, he may resurface what with his own, with another brand. Okay. Whether he works for another company, like similar to it comes out with his own fitness thing. I do see a lot of competition for people trying to get, trying to compete so they can get their people or people to go with them.

Speaker 4: Okay.

Speaker 3: Um, at the end of the day, this company has been. So many people love it. It’s the community, everybody, you know, it’s what brings people together. So it’s always the people who are who love it are always gonna be there. So I think that even though there’s competition, some competition’s good because I feel as though, just like I was talking about the tower, like sometimes things have to happen [00:28:00] so that good things happen In the end, competition is good because I feel as though it sets the.

CEO and everybody else that’s in charge it, it gets them like, alright, we need to do this, and this to get, so that’s why I see a lot of, like a lot of whether it’s collaborations. I see something too with like another, I don’t know if they did this last year, but like diabetes awareness. I think I see something going on with that.

Mm-hmm. People be invited to classes. And I do see another artist series as well. I don’t know, it’s almost like, um, and it might not be like Madonna, but it’s like a Madonna, Cher type of deal. It’s like somebody like old school that people like the millennials and everybody they love.

Speaker: Okay. Okay. So

Speaker 3: people, and like I said, people could walk away. I mean, I saw those two people, but we may see people phasing out or walking away contracts being, you know. Coming to an end. Mm-hmm. So I don’t know if you have any questions around that.

Speaker: Well, I mean, [00:29:00] okay, so is it around money? Is it around money that they might be leaving or is it around disagreement or is it around competition?

Is it around I can do better without Peloton on my own.

Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is around communication. I think that. The communication between the instructors and the people who oversee them is walkie.

Speaker: Really?

Speaker 3: Yes. And I think like over, I think that not the instructors, but, and I don’t, I don’t even wanna say CEO because I don’t even know like who, I think there’s a bunch of people that are in charge.

Yeah, definitely. But specifically I see one person that’s. That’s just concentrated on themselves kind of, and making money for themselves. And I think the instructors are starting to sense that where it used to be like, this is for the community, this is like, this is for wellness. And now it’s kind of like they can feel the strain of it.

So I think that there’s gonna be a lot of. [00:30:00] A lot of like questions and like things circulating around a lot of the instructors. I think when they, I think the new contract’s gonna be a little bit different as well when it comes out. Um, I don’t know if it’s the time that they have to stay or like a number of classes they have to make or whatever it is.

So I think people are gonna have just like a lot of questions and it’s gonna be like really thinking about it a lot.

Speaker: Okay. Okay. All right. And when you talk about a new modality, can you see what it looks like? Like I can’t even imagine what a new modality would even be at this point.

Speaker 3: Yeah, it’s something that pe, I don’t know what it is, but it’s something, it’s like people are celebrating ’cause they’ve wanted it for a long time and they don’t know what it is.

It’s been, people have been asking about this, so I’m just getting like another like kind of like everybody’s happy because this is something that people have asked for. And it’s one of those things that I think that like when the rower came people, I feel like as though a lot of people like it’s phased out for a lot of people.

Like people. Got it. And this is just what I’m seeing in [00:31:00] the cards. Like I just feel like a lot of people got it and then they’re kind of like, I shouldn’t have got it to sell it. Well because of this new modality that’s Oh, feeling as though almost like there people are like, I should have waited.

Speaker 2: Ah.

If

Speaker 3: that makes sense. So I don’t know. It could be something with the rower. It could be, I don’t know what it is, but it’s something that and it could also be a program. I don’t know. I don’t know. But it’s something that costs a little bit extra. And it’s kind of like I, I see a female instructor being connected with this.

Speaker: Interesting. What if it’s vr? Ooh. Ooh. That’s very interesting. And

Speaker 2: that would explain an upcharge too. Yeah,

Speaker: it would. It would.

Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and, and this is, and this is competitive where it’s something like, I feel like it doesn’t. It doesn’t go on sale or like, I think, I feel like it’s a US thing at first and people are like aggravated and mad because they want it, but it slowly kind of, you know.

Speaker: Okay. Any

Speaker 3: [00:32:00] questions?

Speaker: Okay. Do you, I see a lot

Speaker 3: going on in the summer, like in July. I see July being like a, a month where there’s a lot of travel or I dunno if of traveling, whether it’s going to London, going here, going there, going to other cities to do stuff, and I see a lot of like stuff going on

Speaker: Okay.

Around that. Okay. And, um, and have we, have we kind of gotten into the stuff that, that like you were coming up with a few weeks ago? Or are like, are we, have we covered any of that or do you We was, I think a

Speaker 3: lot of it was covered. A lot of the stuff that happened, I was like, wow. Like I, I feel like things kind of did happen.

Like I feel like a lot of stuff going on with Camella. Okay. Yeah. And I, I love her so much and I, I always talk to her. I’m like, I. I like was pulling cogs for you around the time when we didn’t know, well, you know, the whole music thing and she’s like, I’m, is it bad? I’m scared. I’m like, it’s not bad.

Speaker 4: I

Speaker 3: feel like there’s so much good things coming for her and like if she listens to this, like, because I know she gets nervous about it because I [00:33:00] had just seen her like a couple months ago. I took one of her classes and like, I just love her. I see this being another glow up ear for her.

Speaker: Wow. And I don’t,

Speaker 3: I don’t wanna say like what was in the co because I know she gets nervous, but like.

She’s gonna have good year.

Speaker: Okay. Okay. So how about we approach it from that direction? Instructors that you’re seeing a lot of activity for this year, like a lot of big things like we, you’ve said, you’ve mentioned Maddie, you’ve mentioned Camilla. Yeah. Are there, are there others? Are there others?

Speaker 3: I see Ash Pryor have the glow up too.

I don’t know it. We talked about that relationship, whether that’s, that is, you know, with her and somebody else, or it’s just like a whole. Within the fitness realm or things that she’s doing, but there’s a glow up with her too. I see. Like a good year for her. Let me see.

I see that it could be competitive. There’s a lot of competitive competitiveness around one particular modality. Now, I don’t know what it is. This is something like I would have to go down a rabbit hole, but there’s instructors that are kind of competing against this, almost one certain [00:34:00] modality. I feel like there’s two people in this modality are really good at what they do, and I don’t know if they come together and they do like a two for one or they do something.

But I see the other instructors being kind of like at the edge of their seat. ’cause these two other people are very good at what they do. Huh.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. Um, but I do see. The confirmation aid of wants everything flowing through. So anything like that people are stressed out about, or recalls or whatever it is.

I, I still see next year everything being okay. Okay. I just see there might be some tower moments where it’s like, oh my gosh. Like I do see, like, maybe they could then, you know, they could, like, there could be something that everybody here is like nationally about Peloton, you know, and then people, but it’s fine.

It resolves itself.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. I definitely do see more babies, um, because I just got the page of cups. Paige is all about kids. It’s all about new kids. I do specifically see one a [00:35:00] boy a little boy being born. So I, but I, so I do see new pregnancies, new babies and maybe and maybe like a, a pregnancy like that happens like, like I said, maybe before a wedding or whatever.

I do see a lot of people, ’cause Reddit is so annoying sometimes, and all these things you are gonna see people talking about, oh, remember when it used to be like that? Like kind of reminiscing, like, how come we can’t be like this? How can we, you know, you’re, we’re gonna see a lot of that. And it’s like, people just need to understand that things change.

Like this is life. And sometimes we have to go through like, different things to get, to get on top, you know? Like I, I feel like there’s gonna be a lot of chatter about like. The old days. It’s like five. It’s gonna be five.

Speaker: I I I’ll probably be the one leading that chatter. No, I,

Speaker 3: I don’t think we won’t be. I think you’ll be okay.

Okay. I think everything be okay. I think it’s more of like, I think there’s just a specific community around Peloton, so I don’t know if it’s like they’re with like, you know, the row or the bike, whatever [00:36:00] it is. I think we’ll see a lot of like, you know, in the social medias, how the people are complaining.

I do see a lot of that, but. And just like a lot of like remember when, whatever. And I do see like changes kind of to how the old Peloton, so I don’t know if it’s changes in the studio there might be like less live classes. There might be like something going on. Like I don’t know if they, like if when you do take live classes, they’re really strict.

About how many people, because I know there’s like a four. This, you know, you could take four classes, but I’ve definitely been on wait lists and got into more, like, they may be more strict with that. So you might see more people kind of just like hanging around the studio and not taking classes because they just wanna go type the deal.

So that could, that could happen.

Speaker: Okay. Do you have questions, Tom?

Speaker 2: Uh, what about the, what about the new instructors? Oh, what’s the year instructor, what’s year one gonna look like for them? Oh, yeah. What a great

Speaker: question.

Speaker 3: Yeah, let me, let pull some cards to the new instructors. Okay. And I’ve only taken [00:37:00] actually one of the new instructors I haven’t, um, which

Speaker: instructor?

Uh,

Speaker 3: Greta. I really like her. Okay. And I, because I teach Pilates and, you know, I. She does a lot of the kind of the stuff that I teach and I do with my clients and I like her a lot. There I do see competition with the three of them. Mm-hmm. I don’t know if it’s competition where they’re trying to be the one on top or competition, um, because you know, people are trying to get into their classes or there’s one specific class that they’re trying to get into.

Huh. One of them, may, three of three of them, and I don’t even wanna say one of them’s gonna leave because I don’t see them leaving, but one of them may, there may be one out the three that has a harder time. I dunno if they take a little time off because they feel like, I don’t know if it’s like the fame or whatever is getting to ’em.

But they end up coming. It’s, they might just need to take a little time for themselves. But there is one that, that’s going to end up having their own their own program type of [00:38:00] thing. So like we have, like Ms. Core and we have, you know, uh, the splits and all that. I do see one of them having their own program.

And I do see, I think it’s one of the females. Having their own like type of program. Um,

Speaker: I’m curious if you get any vibes about, or you’re getting any information about, uh, Johanna’s, kind of like di divisiveness she brings, like, ’cause her, some people love her like yourself and some people are, are really like not sure about the energy she’s bringing, especially to like Pilates.

Um, so I’m curious if you’re seeing anything around that.

Speaker 4: Okay.

Speaker 3: I definitely think, well, she definitely says what she wants to say. Like she says what she wants to say. He’s just has that personality and we have instructors that have that personality. Sure. You don’t care. Yeah. Look at Cody. Like why, that’s why so many people take his class. ’cause it’s just like he doesn’t care.

Um, and I feel like in a way I can be like that. Not necessarily when I teach. I try to, but I can be, I can just be very, like, I’ll just say whatever. I [00:39:00] think that with her, she’s gonna have, it’s gonna be like that. She’s gonna have her own specific like club, her own specific group. I see her being popular to a lot of people.

Like in California, like I, I see her I see those, the Pacific Coast, you know, because I see her teaching, whether it’s more like, like later classes they might be doing for her. But I see like a big population of people. Around the West coast. Interesting. I don’t like her. Okay. Um, she could possibly even go there for like, to one of the stores or somewhere to like sign stuff to teach like a class for people around there.

I do see I do see her, her doing well though. Good. ’cause Night Ofta is a step up with, with money and so I don’t know if she brands with somebody else too. With the whole Pilates thing, and I don’t know if that could be like the stepping stone to create more of that into the community.

Speaker: Okay.

Okay. Well, that’s great to hear. Yeah, that’s great to hear. Yeah.

Speaker 3: Yeah, she’s, it’s kind of like, almost like I feel like the end of a chapter [00:40:00] in some ways, but a, a better chapter. You know, like we know when you, like, when something stops and it’s like, oh, well, how could it get better? Like, I do see something getting better.

Speaker: Okay. Um,

Speaker 3: and more, more stuff coming. Stuff always comes, but it’s gonna be, it’s gonna be exciting.

Speaker: All right. Okay.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker: What

Speaker 2: else do you got? Um, I guess, uh. Uh, we always kind of wrap up with what do you see for the clip out in 2026?

Speaker 3: The clip out in 2020? Let’s see. I don’t know if you, so I did talk about the summer having there being almost like an invitation or something.

I do see, I, I can see you guys going to the studio around that time. I don’t know if you get an invite or, I definitely do see a trip through the studio. Maybe taking the class or some sort of that, of something like that.

Speaker 2: Well, I will say, just for the record, at this point in time, we have absolutely nothing of that nature planned.

Speaker: It’s true. True. You don’t have anything? Nothing. The only

Speaker 2: trip we have planned right now is our family vacation in June. Yep. Which is, are [00:41:00]there not to New York.

Speaker 3: I mean, I know your kid, your kids are all in, are they in college yet? Yep.

Speaker 2: They’re all in college.

Speaker 3: Okay. They’re in college. No one goes to college.

Around the airline. Do that. Mm-hmm. No, I don’t know why. I am getting kind of like a visit around, it doesn’t have to be in New York, but it could be like somewhere around there. But I see it connected with your kids.

Speaker: Interesting. So I

Speaker 3: don’t know if they know somebody or there’s like a, there’s a trip because of something that they like.

But I see something like and you know what, this could, this might not even be Peloton, but I see almost like, so this is like a reading for you. I see almost like a trip with one of the kids because of some new thing that they’re interested in, that they’re good at. Whether it’s something from school, they get an offer to go somewhere to do something.

Or they could get an offer for like a work study or a job type thing. Something in that nature. Let me ask though about the clip up. Okay. This happens sometimes, like I think about, I get downloads and then I automatically see something with one of your kids. In a good way. Yeah, a good, um, like a creative [00:42:00] Endeavor.

Nine app, pedicles nine app. Pentacles is the wish card. So it’s almost like wish things that you want to see happen, whether it’s like people that you wanna interview or whatever it is like. If you think it’s like, you may think that it’s possible, but it’s not. ’cause I think like things will happen this year that you’re like, I’m so happy I got to do this.

I got to interview this person. I got to, we got to like do the show about this one thing. Fix the tentacles money. I see. I don’t know if there’s more financial gain. You’re, you are, you’re seeing more. Because you have more like opportunities.

Speaker: Okay. Well that’s a fun, that’s a fun read. I like, yeah, I like her interpretation.

Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of Pentacles, a lot of finance, a lot of things coming to the table. 10 of Pentacles is also my New York card, so I don’t know if that’s like where you like iterating, like there might be a trip, there may be an offer something like in that nature. Huh.

Speaker 2: Okay. I like the one where we get a lot of money.

Speaker 3: Can you pull

Speaker 2: a couple more of those? It’s all about money. [00:43:00]

Speaker 3: It’s all about money. And so specifically, um, I’m thinking like, you know, so we have let’s see, maybe around September I can see something maybe happening. I did see the summer, but it could be like almost end of the summer type deal. And you may also have an opportunity next month, like in January whether it’s like an a, you and I don’t know, like who you guys are allowed to interview or not, because like I know, I dunno if it’s like you can interview an instructor or whatever, but I do see it’s like an interview that you’ve been wanting to have kind of coming into fruition.

Speaker: Oh, mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. Okay. That’s very exciting. Yeah. Is there anything we haven’t covered that you’re like, you need to know about this?

Speaker 3: Okay, let me just review these because I have so many notes.

Speaker: Take your time. Take a minute.

 You know what, while she takes a minute, we’re gonna take a break. When we come back, we’ll talk about instructor promotions as in like, who could be getting an increase in job title and new modalities. Ooh, you wanna stick around for that?

Speaker 3: Yeah.

I did [00:44:00] get a male instructor stepping into a higher role. I don’t know if we talked about that.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. Um,

Speaker 3: and I don’t know if this male instructor is stepping into a higher role where they’re doing another modality. So they’re doing something right now, but then they get an offer like around like springtime, early spring.

I’m seeing an offer to do another modality and. But whatever that is, like they, they’re actually more noticed because of this transition, if that makes sense. Yeah. Um, I do see it, somebody in New York and with me, it’s like, I have a couple people that I think it could be, but I’m not a hundred percent sure.

I do see more moves like with instructors moving not far, but, um, some, some could move like out of the city into like a suburb type area. Um, like I said, um. New like pregnancy announcements. Exactly. Especially I do see like a baby boy being born. And I do, and I do see there could be one, possibly two people just maybe walking away, um, because of [00:45:00] whether there’s friction between them and people that like. Bosses or whatever, and they’re just not getting the things that they need or the justice that they need. But once again, it’s gonna be one of those things that’s just like, it’s like ripping a bandaid off and then

Speaker: we’ll all move on.

You know

Speaker 3: that and Yeah. And that person still is active. It’s on social media and, you know, with their pe people that, that follow ’em.

Speaker: Okay. Okay. Wow. Lots of, lots of bold predictions this year. Yes. I can’t wait to see how it all turns out. Yeah, absolutely. Well,

Speaker 2: thank you so much for continuing our annual tradition.

It’s

Speaker: such a fun way to wrap up the year. Yes. And to, to think about next year. It’s so much fun. Yeah. And, uh, it’s such

Speaker 2: a fun way. Um, and until next year, where can people find you?

Speaker 3: So you can find me on the later board at Fit Mom, Erica, or Instagram at Fit Mom or Facebook at Erica.

Speaker 2: Wonderful. Awesome. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Speaker 3: Thank you.

So normally we end [00:46:00] with birthdays. We’re not skipping them. There are no birthdays this week, so I just don’t want anyone to think we left anybody out. Well, I’d make a joke, but I’m not going to, I’m going to save it. Okay. I’ll tell you off the air. We only leave out instructors when we’re on vacation.

They can pound sand. We’re on vacation because we are pounding sand. Uh, so, I guess that brings this episode to a close Until next week. Where can people find you? People can find me on Facebook at facebook.com/crystal. Do keefe. They can find me on blue sky Threads. Uh, Instagram and the Peloton leaderboard at Clip Out Crystal.

And you can find me on Blue Sky and Threads at Tom O’Keefe Jr. Or on Facebook at facebook.com/tom O’Keefe. Don’t forget, you can find the show online at facebook.com/the clip out while you’re there, like the page, join the group. But of course, don’t forget our patreon patreon.com/clip Out five bucks a month, you get all sorts of bonus content, [00:47:00] although not this week.

I just don’t want people taking a little break Yeah. To jump in and be upset, but it’ll be back next week. But like, I just don’t want people to like go over there and there’s nothing there for them next week. Gotta be epic because I’m sure a lot will be going on that we didn’t cover and it’s not all gonna make the episode.

So Yeah that’s true on those weeks where we come back, like there’s just, we’re all backed up. So that’ll be like a colonoscopy level bonus episode. Lovely, lovely. I know how to sell it. You sure do. I know how to sell it. So, uh, anyway, it’s five books a month. You get bonus content, you get ad free episodes, and you get early episodes, and we like a little extra.

So there’s all that. Thank you so much for sticking it out through our tarot card episode. We’ll be back next week with a regular episode. Until then, keep peddling. I would like to say happy holidays and Happy New Year and all of the good things and keep running and [00:48:00] rowing in the like sentimental holiday stuff too, I guess.

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