Welcome to the clip out episode 421. This is Crystal O’Keefe. And this is Tom O’Keefe. Hi, take two. Okay.

My computer’s working now though. Good. So, hey, what’s on the list? Well, uh, we are gonna talk about some news at Peloton. They recently had their eighth hackathon, and we’re gonna talk about. That what it is and why you care. Uh, we’re [00:01:00] also going to talk about the newest. Potential lawsuit that Peloton is facing.

Oh goodness. It’s been a while. It’s been, it has been a while. It’s been kind of quiet on the lawsuit front. Yeah. And also, uh, there are instructors over in London. The studio is gonna be closed this summer, so we’re gonna be a lot, like, a lot. Uh, we also have several instructors that are in the news.

There’s, uh, we’re gonna find out who. Bex Gentry just interviewed on the set the Pace podcast. Okay. Um, who was mentioned by an elite athlete in page six, or who mentioned an elite athlete in page six. Uh, and then what instructor got real and discussed dropping out of a race and why? Okay. And which instructor got to hang out with Michael Jordan?

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Peloton is celebrating its eighth hackathon. It’s. It’s, so, would you like to explain to people what the hackathon is? Yeah. A hackathon is where a bunch of people get in the room and they’re from all different places in the company. So you might have somebody from marketing, you might have somebody from the coaches, you the instructors, right?

You might have somebody from the, the business side of things in multiple people usually. Right? And then they launch a cyber attack on echelon. No. Oh, that’s more of an initial and play. Really. Okay. Well, I mean, they’d try, but they’d probably fail because Peloton hasn’t done it first.

Exactly. Okay. There you go. There you go. But they get together and they talk about like, Hey, this is a big problem that we face in our job. And then [00:05:00] people. Come up with solutions without having any barriers, like cost or time. Like they just like, here’s a solution, here’s a sky high solution. Right? It can be a pie in the sky solution.

And then one of the things that happens during this is that you see themes come up. So you’ll see like people bring up issues, like their biggest thing that they face, and then a lot of times they get. Put on sticky notes and they get it put on the wall and then they get sorted into these, like, okay, these are major themes.

And then the second kind of piece of it is that people start working through and trying to solve the problems together. Is there a way to do this? Exactly. And maybe you can’t do, uh, the solution that like is first come up with, but maybe you can do this other thing that won’t be, let’s say, as expensive or take as much time.

Um, and so that’s what a hackathon is. So this article that Peloton put out about their hackathon. Talks about projects that the hackathon has resulted in previously. It, it did. Did you see anything in there that caught your eye? I thought, uh, auto resistance, [00:06:00] third party treadmill metrics. Target metrics for members during rides, and then it says the Peloton guide, a QR code login feature, and the Peloton Android widget.

Now, I gotta say, I don’t know why you need a giant company-wide brainstorming. The session to be like, what if we also did this? But for Android? Now, now, to be fair, it may not be that they could, that, that they needed somebody to come up with the idea. It might be that they couldn’t figure out how to do it in a costly manner.

And so bringing all of the different teams together is part of what cuts through that BS and gets you to the finish line. Oh, I’ve watched this happen in, in real time. Yeah. Not at Peloton, but in other companies I’ve worked for. Yeah. And sometimes like, you know, it really depends on, yeah. Who’s in charge of the company.

Yeah. And how committed they are to making projects happen. Because if they are committed, then the things will happen. They will come out of it. But if it’s one of those things you’re just doing to check a box and you [00:07:00] never go back and hold yourself accountable, then it’s a complete waste of time. Yeah.

And it’s an alien concept for me because although I work at a concert venue, we are owned and operated by government. So no comment. We don’t, we don’t do anything that involves, you know, advanced. Planning or productivity. I mean, it’s just not the most collaborative environment. It is not, you know, the government is, uh, not so, yeah.

But, but I think a hackathon is kind of fun because it’s like you get to understand problems from other people’s perspectives. So like, let’s say that you always go in and, I don’t know, one of your spreadsheets, that you always have to keep updated, right? Well, you have all kinds of problems with it from your perspective, but you might learn in this kind of environment how it’s affecting other departments.

Yeah. And then together you come up with cool ideas to fix it and it’s, it’s kind of fun and invigorating. It’s kinda like we go to podcast movement. Yeah. Because you’re energized by all the new energy. Yeah. And you, you get to hear from people that. The higher ups probably get to hear from people that they’d [00:08:00] never Yeah.

Ever. Yeah. Pete over in, uh, you know, over in the warehouse. Right. Like, he’s never gonna be in front of the ceo. Yeah. That might be his big moment. For sure. Yeah. It’s, that’s also cool. So it’ll be interesting to see what comes out of this. It will, it will. So Peloton is facing a new lawsuit. This time involving their apparel, I guess.

Was it chafing? Was it writing up? No. Was it, uh, it said it was a, a 50 50 cotton blend, but it turned out it was really 60 40. Oh my god. What? What’s going on? What’s, did the, did the tag in the back of the shirt, like, make your neck it itch funny? No. Okay. So no. What’s happening here, and I don’t even understand how this could ever turn into a lawsuit.

Like, for reals. Oh, I totally get how it could turn into a lawsuit. Well, here’s why. The plaintiff Alicia, or Alicia, depending on how she pronounces it, sure. Armas can [00:09:00] claims that careful, she’ll sue us. Well. I mean, I gave her three different pronunciations. She claims that she received approximately 12 marketing texts from Peloton after she replied Stop to opt out in March.

Yeah. Well, I mean they do have all these like can spam type laws that say if you click unsubscribe, you’re supposed to be unsubscribed. And so hey, I agree with that, but like. She’s trying to put together a class action lawsuit about it and like what damages did it do exactly. You got a text it, the article says that legally you’re entitled to, I think it was like $1,200, like up to $1,500 per violation.

Per violation, and she was violated. Up to 10, at least 10 times. I just gotta ask why you didn’t just hit Block Girl. Like if it was that important to you that you went and hired an attorney. Well, because [00:10:00] there’s money there. Yeah, but is there, because we’ve been over these class action lawsuits, I think.

And like she’s not gonna get anything. Well, I think if you’re the lead plaintiff, the payoff’s a little different now. That could be. And so I, you know, like I get that, you know, if they put out the thing, you can fill out the form and they’ll send you a 10% off coupon and a check. Would you, would you like to guess how many people are involved in this class action lawsuit?

How many people fall into this class? 17. It’s less than 50. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah. I was just guessing. I know. I didn’t get that far in the article. I just think that like that in and of itself, like there a class action lawsuit is. By definition a whole lot of people and now they’re, but they’re just starting this, like this filing, God, don’t make me defend these people like, like this.

This filing is, they went to a court and said, we. We want to try to put together a class action [00:11:00]lawsuit, and so the court has given them the go ahead. So it’s in the very early stages. It is. And it hasn’t been accepted. Yeah. Like this, this lawsuit has not been like approved, blessed to move forward whatever legal people call it.

Right? It hasn’t happened, but um, all people are legal, honey. Well, I guess it depends on where you live. And how many alligators are there? Yeah, go on. Um, anyway, um, but this, the, the article that I was reading also said that there are some defenses that Peloton could employ. Okay. Let’s hear what the defenses are.

Technical error Peloton could claim the texts were sent due to a system malfunction or human error. I think this goes back to the landmark case of Oklahoma versus Oopsies. Okay. Or. They could argue consent that the company, the company might say that the plaintiff initially consented to receive texts and the opt-out was [00:12:00] not properly processed.

This goes back to the case of Oklahoma versus, you know, you want it,

it also, Peloton could demonstrate that it has procedures in place to honor opt-out requests, even if they failed in this instance. That one does not sound very helpful, but hey, what do I know? None of, if you sound all that helpful, I don’t think a billion dollar corporation go be like, I don’t know. I mean, shit broke.

But on the other hand just, you know. I’m just asking a question here for real. Okay. It’s a hackathon, honey. It’s a, it’s a, it’s an apparel lawsuit. Hackathon. Just blue sky. Me. Okay. Here’s my question. You know how things are allowed to fail. Like if you buy a dishwasher like America, fuck, I wish, I wish somebody were looking at the failure rate of America and fixing that.

I wish that were a thing, but, okay. Dishwasher. Dishwasher. Like when you make [00:13:00] something and you manufacture and you’re doing on a high level, that’s like a whole bunch of them are happening, right? Don’t you get a co, like a, a, like. You have some kind of rate that is okay to fail. Yeah. That like nobody bats a thousand.

All right. So, and like if, if 0.01% of the dishwashers have a problem, that doesn’t mean it’s a bad dishwasher. It’s just, so I’m just saying there’s 50 people and Peloton has 8 million users. Well, I guess that’s what. This is, they’re about to find out they’re gonna, you’re gonna start seeing ads pop up in your Facebook feed.

If you’ve ever liked a post from Robin Arza that says, did you get texts from Peloton that you didn’t want? I, I, uh, I always enjoy these. Like, because at first I’m curious about them. I go through like a wave of emotions with these Yeah. It’s like the stages of grief. It is. It’s it’s curiosity first. Yeah.

Fascination right up there. Next to curiosity. They waffle back and forth. Rage is coming. I know it. Oh well. It’s just like a song that you like and then somebody plays [00:14:00] the hell out of it. Yeah. And now you hate it. Well, that’s what happens with my Facebook feed. Yeah. Because, you know, I tend to pull up a lot of Peloton info.

You, if they’re going after people who engage with Peloton stuff, you’re in the, I’m on the list. You’re in the top 0.01%. So, so then that’s about the time that the rage kicks in. Not at first. Right. You know, but like there’s a curve and I hit it depending on how often, how much they’re paying to get this in front of people.

And then. It depends on whether or not Peloton wins. There’s usually vindication, right? When I’m Right. ’cause I enjoy that. I’ve noticed. And then if I, if I’m wrong and they lose, now we’re back to, to rage and despair. Your hackathon becomes a rage. Aon and then I’m back to you comparing it to America.

You go, your, your hackathon becomes a rage. Aon, you go from Woodstock to Woodstock. 9, 9, 9, 9. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, somebody’s gonna push over the tower. Yeah. I just know it. Yeah, and I mean that for all scenarios we just discussed. Give [00:15:00] you something to break.

So moving right along. Oh yeah, we’re speeding through this list. Olivia Amato will be, or I guess we’ll have been by the time you heard this. Yeah. Hear this at, uh, PSL. Yeah. So, as a reminder, the so many. Of the classes over the summer are closed, both in New York and London. It’s kind of a blackout, but what’s causing what’s happening as a result of this is you’re seeing Cody over in London.

Yeah. You’re seeing Olivia over in London, by the way. Side note. Didn’t put it on the list, but had a, an epiphany. Okay. Epiphany me. Cody tends to be the person who’s scouting talent. He has spent an enormous amount of time in Europe. Oh, like are they looking? Is there a connection? Like are they looking for new London instructors?

Are they looking for new German instructors? Are there new markets that they will embark upon? Will we see Peloton? Luxembourg. Yes. All of that yes. Are my [00:16:00] questions, not my answers. Yes. But my questions we’re just asking questions. We’re just asking questions. It’s hackathon week at at the clip out. We’re blue skying, so my theory is Olivia motto.

Has already burned through all her PTO for the year, you think? And then they closed down P, s and Y and she’s like, guess I don’t have to go to work. And they said, bullshit. Get your ass over to London. You, your PTO. You need to get the hell over to London. And get back to work. That’s, that’s what I think.

Well, I don’t know. We’ll see who’s right. Yeah. But, uh, I, uh, think that it’s fun that when the instructors kind of switch places and give you know, Peloton has said in past earnings calls that they are going to meet people more where they are. They’re gonna be doing stuff out in about, in the public. I think this is a good.

Example of that when you take instructors from the US and you take ’em over to London and vice versa. Yeah. It’s great for people who can’t travel internationally on a whim, right? As most of us cannot. Correct. Or are terrified [00:17:00] to now. That you are able to then have access to these instructors in a way that you, you normally can.

Absolutely. I think, think that’s really cool. Yeah. It’s like a foreign exchange program. A little bit. Yeah. A little bit. Coming up after this, we got instructors in the news. We’re gonna give you updates on what celebrity Becks Gentry was talking to a Peloton instructor getting mentioned in page six. And we had an instructor drop out of a race and she talks to people about why.

So stick around, won’t you?

Beck Gentry interviewed the rapper, Noriega. Yeah. But he’s also known as NORE. Correct. Which is uh, an. Like a, an acronym. Do you know what it stands for? I do, but I won’t say it.

’cause the first letter is n Oh no. Yeah, yeah. No, no. We cannot do that. Yeah. [00:18:00] I’m not comfortable with that. Nor should you be. I mean, that’s his choice, but, uh, totally. We’re just gonna stick with Noriega. How about that? Uh, I am. A lot more comfortable with that as you should be. Yeah. So, uh, but yeah, she was, she was interviewing him Where and why now moving right along.

Yeah. Let’s pretend like that didn’t happen. So, uh, this was interesting. They, okay, so Becks Gentry, just to recap, is a co-host on the Set the PACE podcast, which is the New York Road Runners, New York City Marathon official par right. Podcast. Yes. Okay. So she, uh, co-host that with Rob Sim care. Mm-hmm. And they were at the studio and they, PSNY, not like a recording studio.

Right. An important distinction of this conversation. It is, yes. And then they interviewed Noriega. Live at the studio. He even like got on the tread. I [00:19:00] don’t know if he like took a class, but like they showed him on the tread, they showed him talking to Becks in the studio. There was like all kinds of behind the scenes.

Mm-hmm. Um, and I thought this was interesting for so many reasons. The biggest thing is that. Set the pace is using this as their very first episode to be on YouTube. Oh, okay. I found that fascinating. Yeah. Because last year the big thing about podcasting was video. Mm-hmm. This year everybody’s like, nah, you don’t need to do it.

But I think it’s just because podcasting is just in a really weird place right now. I don’t even know if any of it’s true. I don’t trust any of it anymore. Yeah. Nobody knows anything that’s, yeah. So. That’s fascinating. Also, Noriega is bringing to the set the Pace podcast kind of a cultural edge and highlighting the intersection of running music and lifestyle altogether.

Um, so I thought that was really interesting as well. And the, one of the things that [00:20:00] kind of stood out to me was that. Noriega and Becks have kind of a similar vibe of storytelling. Mm-hmm. And using that to impact people’s future life choices. And so I thought that was interesting as well. Yeah. And I also just thought it was a big deal that Becks was really pushing this podcast on Pelotons.

Socials. Yeah. Why? Because it feels like we’re moving to a new level with that particular synergy. I don’t know what that’ll look like. To be fair, it’s a really slow week at Peloton right now. Like there’s not a lot happening. Uh, there’s not a, there’s a lot of happening with, with celebrities this week, but there’s not a lot happening in the studio.

Right. I can’t help but wonder if we’re seeing like this glimpse of things to happen in the future, and this might just be like. Page one, right? Why do we need to close the studio the entire summer if something big isn’t about to happen? I don’t know. Again, I’m just asking questions for sure. So I don’t know what your thoughts [00:21:00] are on that.

I have no idea. Okay. So, cool. Well, that was fun. Yeah, no, I, I, uh, yeah, I mean they obviously, Peloton has always been very music driven. Mm-hmm. So it stands to reason that they would embrace something like this. Yeah. I just think it could mean something more between New York, Roadrunners and Peloton. Yeah. That might be moving forward with that particular synergy.

Yeah. And then, uh, that, that partnership, but also. We’ve had lots and lots of musicians in, but this week, as you will hear, there is a lot going on in the studio. So there is. I know. So, uh, Ben Aldis got mentioned in page six, which if you’re in New York, is a big deal for people. Yeah. So, okay. I thought I read this as he mentioned, um, but maybe I read it backwards.

So they’re talking about, uh, Serena Williams and then they had a quote from Ben Aldis when he, uh, popped up in her Instagram feed being like, oh, I see your Peloton. You’re [00:22:00] really. He said, uh, I will save you. Yes. All those Peloton workouts have been serving you well, and, and uh, he said, I see you, Serena Williams.

So it was, uh, that he was all good. Yes. Yeah. He wasn’t being creepy. Not at all. Yeah. But I was scared of what you were about to say. That might make it sound creepy. Um. But it’s, it’s, uh, good for Peloton to have that brand visibility in page six. Yeah, for sure. And to be tied to Serena Williams, that’s never a bad thing.

Never a bad thing, unless you’ve been picked to play against her. Yeah. Well then good luck to you. Yes. Yeah. Um, it also is just interesting because. This all appears to be organic and that’s like the best kind of visibility that you can get. I mean it’s, it’s a positive look on Ben. Yeah, it’s a positive look for Serena.

It’s positive for Peloton and it wasn’t placed by a publicist. It just occurred. Yeah. Yeah. I find that kind of fascinating and I’m sure it’s not bad for Ben’s old personal brand. I’m sure it can’t hurt. So [00:23:00]Christine Dele had a, an Instagram post this week where she was talking about she dropped out of a race that she was competing in.

Yeah. She showed up for the race and everything just kind of went wrong. Like she felt like she had the wrong gear choice. Um, and when she got there, go ahead. Oh, I watched the video. Yeah. And she, so yeah, tell me. And she said that that and. They were gearing up to do one kind of race and that, and then I think that like for some reason that didn’t happen and they pivoted to a different type of race and she didn’t change her gear structure, so she came out peddling way too fast that it was like the race they were supposed to be do was only like a lap and a half and that this other one was much longer.

And so she was peddling way too fast and that she came out hot and then just. Basically got trounced ’cause she was in the wrong gear and it was too late to adjust. And then she was just kinda like, man, screw all this. And just went home. Yeah. Like just was like, it just hit wrong. And she’s just like, you know, yeah, I’m just gonna go home.

[00:24:00] But it’s so, it’s so real, you know? Yeah. Like that. There are times to push through and I think all of us recognize that. Yeah. I think that there are also times we need to give ourselves permission to be like, this is not working. Yeah. Like you can try to overcome so much, but if there To what end?

Yeah. Because like if you’re not gonna win. It sometimes it’s just the experience and, but it’s not like at this stage of the game, she needs the experience. Sure. Like she knows what she’s doing. Right, right. And so I don’t think that really kind of has an any kind of stake in, in this particular conversation.

But it’s still a tough decision to walk away from anything you say you’re going to do. And it’s also difficult to know. When is the difference? Yeah. When are you letting yourself off the hook? Yeah. How many times have we had this discussion between us? Yeah. And with Dr. Jen, uh, and other people who have been on the podcast.

Yeah. It’s like, it is so difficult to know when you’re letting yourself off the hook. For sure. And I know she was also doubly [00:25:00] conflicted because there were people that showed up. To support her, like, not like yeah. From the Peloton community, right? Like not friends and family, but fans. And then she’s like, oh my God, these people carved out their weekend to come watch me do this.

And I’m just like, one race. And I’m like, deuces. And so, but she, and she said that she went over and, and hung out with them and took pictures and like, she didn’t just like. Stroll on by him. Like whatever. Well, and honestly I think most people, and I’m sure not everybody, but most people would rather have that one-on-one contact with her than watch her in a race any day.

For sure. They probably felt like they got something really special. For sure. Like I, I. Thought that was a good way to handle it. I totally agree. I totally agree. Either way, I have mad respect for her to not only do it, but then go on social media and tell the story. Yeah. There are so many people that as they get more and more famous, they shy away from things instead of just owning them.

Yeah. And I think in this case, that was really smart of her to just be like, this happened. Yeah. It makes her so relatable. Yeah. [00:26:00] So, uh, Jess Sims attended Michael Jordan’s Board of Greatness Retreat, which I mean. The great ones never retreat. It doesn’t even make any sense. What a good point, Tom. Yeah. Yeah.

We’ve been, we’ve been lied to. Damn you, Michael Jordan. Um, so, uh, this retreat included athletes of all kinds and I, and they had a very wide range of them. Uh, it, the event also took place in Greece. Ooh. Which was very fancy. Yeah, that is fancy. And. One of the things that’s interesting or significant I should say about Jess Sims being there, is that it represents kind of a new wave of athletes who are blending fitness media and community engagement.

Like in the past, like if you just go back even 20 years ago. Yeah. Like social media influencers who do what she. Not just because of Peloton, but just as a whole on social media did not exist. Yeah. Social [00:27:00] media didn’t exist in the way that it does now. Right. And so that’s a big deal. Also her presence at the retreat shows that the brand, Jordan’s brand recognizes a diverse group of people, not just basketball or not just, or professional athlete like.

Professional, like traditional professional athletes, sports teams, right? Yeah. Basketball, baseball, tennis. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um, and of course, you know, again, for her brand and Peloton, it’s never bad to be mentioned in the same articles and rubbing elbows and taking pictures with these people. It’s pretty cool.

And I have no idea if Michael Jordan was there or not, but I think it’d be really cool. And in my head he was. And she got to meet him. I haven’t seen all the pictures. Like I think it’s still going on. Yeah. So I don’t think, I don’t think we know for sure right yet. Um, like how long the retreat was. He probably shows up just for the free trip to Greece, I would assume, because he, he needs a free trip.

He needs a free trip. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That makes [00:28:00] sense.

The latest artist series features Moby, how It Does Excited Must Emine M be?

Why is that a thing? Oh, ’cause he used to, do they get along? Did they not get along? Uh, like a used to, I’m assuming they still don’t because Moby was famously name checked in a Oh, in the Eminem’s, one of Eminem’s biggest hits. Oh, well. I’m sorry for Moby. You know, Moby is one of those artists that is just fascinating because he’s involved in so much music you don’t know Yeah.

That he’s involved in. Yeah. But it’s like stuff you hear every day. Yeah. And you have, and it’s fascinating to me because you have no appreciation for it until somebody does a list and it’s like, this is all the songs that he’s, he’s been involved in. You’re like, holy shit. Well, his album play, which is the big one, and I don’t know if it still is, but at the time anyway, it was.

The most commercially licensed album in the history of music. That’s fascinating. Yeah. And that [00:29:00] was kind of when you saw that shift to where, like before that, when a band licensed a song to a brand, they were like, Ugh, sell out. Like when Nike used Revolution, and people were like, Ugh. And like that was kind of the beginning of the shift of like, oh, that makes sense.

Yeah, that’s another way to make money. Especially ’cause you were starting to see the decline of radio. They were like, oh, we’re on board with this now. Yeah, now it’s okay because like radio didn’t really play Moby that much, but all of a sudden his songs were in all these commercials and people would hear the songs that way.

Okay. And so, so not only was he making money by licensing it, but it was also elevating his brand and his music to make him popular and kind of do an end run around traditional gatekeepers to get a hit record. See, he was rubbing elbows with the right people and it, he was increased his brand. Yeah.

That’s kind of the theme of this week’s show, but in this particular instance, we are celebrating what he has already accomplished, so that’s cool. I don’t really know a lot of Moby songs off the top [00:30:00]of my head. Yeah, like. But I enjoy Moby. It, I, it’s one of, he’s one of those artists that like, when if I take one of these classes, I will be like, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.

I enjoy this. You know, but it’s not something I’m like, I gotta go to my Moby collection and pull up all these songs. Yeah. And I don’t know, I think there are people like that, that, that really do feel that way about him. So that’s, that’s kind of cool just to have that wide variety. Yeah. And sometimes things like this are, are good for the artist in terms of somebody takes that class and then they’re like, oh yeah, exactly.

I didn’t realize that was him. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a lot of, a lot of artists that I have found.

 So Strava is pulling. It’s free running training plans, but don’t worry, they have paid ones available for you that should solve everything. Right? Well, it’s more complex than that actually. The thing is, is they pulled the free training plans, but you have to go to RUNA to get the training plan.

Well, Runa is a [00:31:00] completely separate app, right? Yes. Strava bought Rena, but you have to have both apps to use both now this month. They did finally come up with a subscription that you can have both, like if you get a, a generous discount if you have Strava and Runa, but it is still really expensive.

Like it’s 150 bucks for both. For a year. For a year. Okay. For a year. I was like a month. No. Okay. There’s nothing that they’re doing that is worth $150. I know. That’s why I was but clearly some people might think that anyway. So. I have been really like looking at that for myself and I keep saying, no, I don’t need that because I’m not training for something right now.

If I was training for something, I might take a different approach, but right now I’m not in the head space where I need to do that. I, I. Think that what I find most interesting about it is that Strava already had all these [00:32:00] web training plans mm-hmm. That were free and I never used them. I didn’t feel like they were all that great.

Yeah. So I understand that this article is highly critical of them. I even understand why, but. I kind of disagree because runner’s running plans were really good. Yeah. And really flexible and I really enjoyed them and I never once got excited about a Strava running plan ever. And the free ones were you get what you pay for.

I mean, I’m not saying they were terrible, like they were still running plans. And if that’s all you can do, that’s all you can do. Right? Right. But there’s a lot of stuff that’s still out there for free that if, if that’s your only option, you can still make progress. Like I don’t, I don’t feel like it was a make or break moment.

Right. And if you wanted something that was more elevated and tailored to you, you weren’t gonna get that from those free training plans. And now it’s actually this huge, amazing thing that if you have Runa, you can get these really cool training plans. That’s how I would choose to look at it. And my guess is they probably saw their metrics that those free ones probably [00:33:00] weren’t getting used that much, and so they were just like, not worth the effort.

That’s what I think too. Yeah. And I, yeah, I, it’s always sad when you see this stuff, you know? Yeah. Because people get all upset about it, and some people really feel some kind of way, and on a company of this size, there were obviously. A not insignificant number of people using them. Even if to str from Strava’s POB, like if it was 10%, that’s still a tremendous amount of people using it.

Even if it’s 2%, it’s a tremendous amount. It’s, yeah, absolutely. So it’s still affecting a lot more people. You’re totally right. Um, I also thought it was interesting that a lot of people brought up the broader trend of subscription rot, where you keep paying the same amount and they keep giving you less and less and less.

Yeah. I am not a fan of that trend. Nobody’s a friend, fan of that trend. Right. But I just, the companies are, I just think in this particular instance that yes, this falls under that I, and if they continue to do it, I will absolutely change my stance. But [00:34:00] right now I think they’re just trying to clean things up.

Yeah. And I think it makes sense.

So we were talking earlier about just the different music and celebrity Colabs this week, and, uh, Rob Thomas from Matchbox 20 stopped by PSNY this week. Yeah. Mariana posted some pictures about it. I think the Peloton account did too.

But Mariana’s picture was really special to me because she posted about how much. She loved Rob Thomas, matchbox 20. Getting to meet him was amazing for her and how much his music has influenced her life, and so I had to reach out to her and share. Our Rob Thomas story and I just thought that this was worth mentioning one, because maybe this means we’re gonna have some kind of artist series coming up, or maybe he’ll be part of like the summer festival music festival that they do.

It’s, it seems like he would be, honestly, it’s kind of surprising they [00:35:00] haven’t been yet. Do they have a new album coming out? I have no idea. I don’t either. Yeah. But that tends to be part of Yeah. How they pick some of those summer ones. I don’t know. Yeah. Um, so I just thought that was great. Well, you didn’t say what our Rob Thomas story was.

Oh, do you want me to share? Sure. Well, so one of our first dates was when you took me to a meet and greet for Matchbox 20. I had never. Been to any kind of event like this. I was very nervous. Yeah. It was like a, a, a small acoustic performance. It was like just him and the guitar player. It was right when she’s so mean came out.

Yes. Yes it was. And so I was trying to impress you so it worked. I was like, you wanna go to this, uh, private? Performance with Matchbox 20, and I’ll let you meet Rob Thomas and realize after the fact, seeing how excited you were to meet Rob Thomas. I was like, this might not have been the best idea in retrospect.

I was very excited to meet Rob Thomas, but I was so excited because it’s like this huge part of my, like [00:36:00] high school and college years. Like he had so much of my life. Like the songs that he did. Yeah. And when getting to meet him was like. Next level, like surreal. It was so surreal to be there. And I’d never gotten to meet anybody famous or that I admired on that level.

Yeah. Ever before. And so everything about that day was crazy. And then getting to take a picture with him. Yeah. Yeah. That was really cool. And now I’ve put you in front of so many PE famous people. You’re jaded, I mean, sometimes, but Rob Thomas. Was my first and Oh, so special. No, really though, in all sincerity, that day was really special because yes, I have gotten to meet a lot of people, but not like getting to meet him was right up there with getting to meet Rick Springfield because that has such a special place in my heart.

Yeah. Because of my sister for sure. And so there’s like moments like that that are just super special. Yeah. And that was one of ’em. And Mariana was really sweet about it too. She’s, she’s just a gem. I love her. [00:37:00] Coming up after this, we’re gonna tackle content. So many classes to choose from. We will help you narrow it down so you don’t waste a second.

So stick around.

It is time for the TCO top five. You told us the best classes and we agreed, so here they are. Number one, your favorite ride.

Uh, Christine. Dear Glee taught this class on July 5th of this year. It was a 45 minute sprint interval training ride, and Karen Smith nominated it. She said it was amazing. It was her first. Sprint interval training class, she will definitely be back for more. She was questioning the format because it had so much recovery time until she realized how needed all that recovery is.

She knows what she’s doing. I will be checking out the other classes too. I, that is cool. That is cool because we’ve talked about the benefits. That is cool because women are starting to really understand what kind of exercise they need to be doing, how it benefits [00:38:00] them in different ages and stages of their lives, and I just.

Love seeing all of that. And the best thing is if you stop like 10 minutes in, she can’t even get mad at you.

Uh, number two and three, look at that. We have a tie. This is our first ever tie. How exciting Your favorite two for one outdoor runs. Well, here’s why. Okay, so there was a 30 minute hit after hit two for one with John and Maddie, and there was also one that had Adrian and Matt. These were the last week of June and the first week of July.

Mindy Jensen loved these classes and she said that. The banter between the instructors makes the runs go by fast. Plus, you might find a song in a genre you don’t normally listen to. John and Maddie, for example, they had Disco and Broadway as their musical themes. Okay? Whereas Adrian and Matt had EDM and Classic Rock, and then, uh, when Adrian and Matt were doing their class.[00:39:00]

They talked about how they knew each other before Peloton, so I’m sure they had tons of stories. Yeah. And they packed ’em all in in that 30 minutes. And then John and Maddie are both super lighthearted and it was like running with two best friends. So both of them were just such great experiences. Mindy had to, had to talk about it, and I like it.

Makes you wanna take both of these glasses? They sound great. Uh, number four is your favorite music themed ride. I’ve been waiting for this uhoh. Pat darling. Yes. You need to come to the speaker now because this is her moment. Okay. This class was nominated by Pat Darling who acknowledged Tom O’Keefe’s gr grouchy poo-pooing of Jimmy Buffet saying, I know it’s not Tom’s favorite, but whatever, what you should.

First off, it was not grouchy poo-pooing. It was joyful poo-pooing because I love shitting on things two. You should never ever take [00:40:00] a Peloton class based on my input. That’s true. That’s true. Well, pat goes on to say, okay, she doesn’t call herself a parrot head, but Jimmy Buffett songs were the soundtrack to mini summers on the lake, cruising around, lounging on the houseboat.

So his music is very nostalgic to her. She’s currently in the sixth week of recovering from a total knee replacement. Hang in there Pat. And she’s just now getting back on the bike for easy spins. And even though she likes Jimmy Buffett, she doesn’t know she would’ve taken this class if it hadn’t been for her recovery period because the music’s so chill.

I thought it was gonna be, she wouldn’t have taken it if it wasn’t for to. Defy me. That’s, I’m sure that was it. And Tom doesn’t like Buffet. I’m taking it, then I’m taking it. But she said that it was absolutely perfect for where she is and what sold her were the first two songs on the playlist, one particular Harbor and Fruit cases.

This particular class was taught by Dennis Morton on July 2nd. And then, uh, finally a number five. You are unst stackable. We [00:41:00] haven’t had Jess Sims on the Unst stackable for a while, but Julie Goldman Eggleston loved this class. It was a 45 minute bike bootcamp taught on November 19th of 24, and she said she recently took this bike bootcamp and it kicked her butt just stretching after this class took energy.

She didn’t think she had left. We had to do a full minute of burpees at the very end, which after 44 minutes was a massive challenge. Wow. Yeah, that sounds pretty awful. It does. Yeah, it does. I mean, it’s good for you, Julie. Yeah. I will say though, it’s still not as awful as an entire class of Jimmy Buffet songs.

Oh my God. That’s unst stackable, hilarious. Oh my God. They played nothing but Jimmy Buffet the whole time. I don’t know how I made it through. I guess we’ll now take a look at this week at Peloton, uh, we got a 60 minute rock ride with Sam. Yo. Yeah, I haven’t gotten a chance to, to take this because it’s not out yet.

It’s July 20th, but [00:42:00] when this happens, I’m really looking forward to this because this is his fourth 60 minute ride and. Third Rock themed one he has a really good taste in music. His last rock ride was back in 2023, so I think he’s gonna really bring the music. I’m excited about that. That’s all.

Okay. We also have commuting meditations. Don’t, don’t do that. If you’re driving. Well, I think that they’re looking for people who might ride a bus or a train type of thing. Sure. Makes a lot more sense. Yeah. So there’s a couple of 10 minute morning commute meditation classes, one with Chelsea and one with Dennis.

And both dropped this week on demand. We got Rising Country run. We do. Um, and this was taught or going to be taught, I should say, by Logan on July 17th. 30 minutes of rising country and for the bar and Pilates fans, we got new of each. We do a 30 minute Pilates with Aditi is dropping. Live the July thir 17th at 9:30 AM and a [00:43:00] 45 minute bar with Hannah Corbin on the 18th at 9:30 AM Eastern.

And finally, we will take a look at what’s on the clip outs radar. There’s things that might slip through the cracks. So first off, we should talk about just all the different. Studio stuff going on. July 10th through the 13th. PSNY was completely closed. There were no live classes. July 14th through August 2nd. So we are in that phase right now. No live cycling classes from PSNY. However, July 18th through August 4th, where there will also be no live tread classes.

Okay. From PSNY. And then. August 5th through 23rd, eighth through 25th, no strength row, yoga, meditation bar and Pilates. And then August 28th, PSNY is closed. No live classes at all. And August 29th through September 1st, it’s also closed. No live classes. Gotcha. So a lot of dates. And, uh, if you are traveling to New York and hoping to take a class please, please [00:44:00] check the schedule or you’ll be so, so sad.

Yes, you’ll be very disappointed.

Peloton Apparel has a collab with Travis Matthew. I don’t know what that means. I dunno. Well, this particular brand is all about like being like real life and so. I don’t really know what that means to be honest. It says it’s laid back coastal vibe. So like I picture like California. Gotcha. Maybe you put like a bucket hat on or where one of those little hats that has the little brims that women like to wear.

Okay. Where in your Jimmy Buffett classes? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, but it’s, uh, definitely a women’s collection. They say it’s built for summer, lightweight, sleek, unmistakably. Cool. Just like summer should be okay. It’s not my thing. Yeah. So, I should address the fact that we haven’t had birthdays the last couple weeks.

Just ’cause there haven’t been birthdays. Oh yeah. The last couple weeks. Yeah. So we haven’t, we haven’t forgotten. They haven’t gone away. It’s just for whatever reason. Peloton instructor, your parents don’t tend to do it in [00:45:00] November. I mean, it’s a busy month. Yeah. You know you’re gearing up for the holidays.

Yeah. You just got done. You gotta, you feeling bloated from that Halloween candy. Next thing you know, it’s Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. Who’s in the mood? Right. Not. Peloton instructor parents. But boy, the holiday season, once we get into December, December, now that is their moment to shine. There were some crazy Christmas parties and New Year’s Eve parties.

That’s my prevailing theory. So, so that brings us to a close until next week. Where can people find you? People can find me on Facebook at facebook.com/crystal Do O’Keefe. They can also find me on Blue Sky Threads and instagram and the Peloton leaderboard at Clip Out Crystal. And you can find me on Blue Sky and Threads at Tom O’Keefe Jr.

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